Katrina1968 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 (edited) All I can ask is this, did these "rational" beings give a @#& about the pain, torture and cruelty that they inflicted on the VICTIMS?! If they have so little value for another human life, why should we foot the bill to keep them alive when they dont even show REMORSE for what they've done? Right now, our country is dealing with a betrayal. A man sworn to serve his country and protect his fellow service members opened fire ON a military base, killed 13 and wounded 30 more. He was a mental health professional and knew the signs of mental illness. He didnt want to go to Afghanistan or Iraq so he did the unthinkable. What do we do with him? He wasnt killed, he's in stable condition. Now we have to deal with the tragedy that he inflicted. What about the victims? What about their families? If capitol punishment is inhuman and keeping them confined for the rest of their natural lives is cruel what are the alternatives? The problem is that most of these offenders KNOW and UNDERSTAND that in the event that they get caught, they will have YEARS of appeals, attorneys and time. You dont hear about many who are remorseful for what they've done, they are only sorry they got caught and then they plead "my father wasnt in the home, my mom worked, I was picked on in school, my dog died, I had to wear second hand clothing, I was made to eat broccoli and I HATE broccoli, my girlfriend broke up with me, my wife left me, I lost my job, etc...". There HAS to be an ulitmate punishment for reckless killing. And personally, my life and the lives of my family require more than some one sitting behind bars, getting cable, free medical, three hots and a cot and visitations from THEIR FAMILIES. No, community service doesnt cut it. Edited November 8, 2009 by Katrina1968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Sorry but I can't agree with you all. I'm horrified by what this man has done but also horrified that such a 'punishment' could be handed down, and approved of, in this day and age. I believe there is no justification for death penalty whatever the circumstances and displaying the body publicly is just plain sick. Hmm, I'm afraid that's where you and I differ. All the points I would have made have already been voiced though. But I will say in some ways he's getting off too lightly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) This is the most idiotic piece of news I have seen all week. Slurry police should be ashamed of themselves A former soldier who handed a discarded shotgun in to police faces at least five years imprisonment for "doing his duty". Paul Clarke, 27, was found guilty of possessing a firearm at Guildford Crown Court on Tuesday – after finding the gun and handing it personally to police officers on March 20 this year. The jury took 20 minutes to make its conviction, and Mr Clarke now faces a minimum of five year's imprisonment for handing in the weapon. In a statement read out in court, Mr Clarke said: "I didn't think for one moment I would be arrested. "I thought it was my duty to hand it in and get it off the streets." The court heard how Mr Clarke was on the balcony of his home in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham, when he spotted a black bin liner at the bottom of his garden. In his statement, he said: "I took it indoors and inside found a shorn-off shotgun and two cartridges. "I didn't know what to do, so the next morning I rang the Chief Superintendent, Adrian Harper, and asked if I could pop in and see him. "At the police station, I took the gun out of the bag and placed it on the table so it was pointing towards the wall." Mr Clarke was then arrested immediately for possession of a firearm at Reigate police station, and taken to the cells. Defending, Lionel Blackman told the jury Mr Clarke's garden backs onto a public green field, and his garden wall is significantly lower than his neighbours. He also showed jurors a leaflet printed by Surrey Police explaining to citizens what they can do at a police station, which included "reporting found firearms". Quizzing officer Garnett, who arrested Mr Clarke, he asked: "Are you aware of any notice issued by Surrey Police, or any publicity given to, telling citizens that if they find a firearm the only thing they should do is not touch it, report it by telephone, and not take it into a police station?" To which, Mr Garnett replied: "No, I don't believe so." Prosecuting, Brian Stalk, explained to the jury that possession of a firearm was a "strict liability" charge – therefore Mr Clarke's allegedly honest intent was irrelevant. Just by having the gun in his possession he was guilty of the charge, and has no defence in law against it, he added. But despite this, Mr Blackman urged members of the jury to consider how they would respond if they found a gun. He said: "This is a very small case with a very big principle. "You could be walking to a railway station on the way to work and find a firearm in a bin in the park. "Is it unreasonable to take it to the police station?" Paul Clarke will be sentenced on December 11. Judge Christopher Critchlow said: "This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge. "The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant." Edited November 13, 2009 by Ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexiepiper Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Wow that poor guy, that's outrageous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beef Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 That is INSANE. So they are not even going to make an attempt to find the real criminal? the person who had a gun then felt the need to dump it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissy Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Many years ago I knew a man who was a barrister, and he told me about a story that had appeared in the papers, that he had in fact been involved in when it reached the courts. The newspaper headline had read something along the lines of 'Romeo Arrested For Picking Flowers For His Juliet', and the story went on to describe how this romantic but poor young man had been arrested after he had picked a few flowers from the garden of a local OAP home while on his way to visit his girlfriend. The Reality? This thug had used a mechanical digger to rip out the flower beds before he attempted to break into the flat of his terrorised ex-girlfriend who had a restraining order against him because of his extreme violence toward her. Since hearing this, I generally take a moment to consider whether the reporting of a story is 100% on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beef Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Very true, the press love to blow things up but usually their tall tales are true at the core (which I hope they are not in this case). We got a source on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 This is ridiculous!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 That is INSANE. So they are not even going to make an attempt to find the real criminal? the person who had a gun then felt the need to dump it ? Nope no attempt at all... Sorry forgot the link to the source http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/news/Ex-soldier-faces-jail-handing-gun/article-1509082-detail/article.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Andrea~ Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Sounds to me like the law is at fault here rather than the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kell Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 A convicted murderer who absconded while out on an escorted shopping trip has been arrested, police said. Why on earth was a convicted murderer out on a shopping trip? Surely she should have been locked up and serving her sentence, not getting excorted round the shops? Disgusting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beef Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Why on earth was a convicted murderer out on a shopping trip? Surely she should have been locked up and serving her sentence, not getting excorted round the shops? Disgusting! silly Kell, We are to lock these people up as that is as "cruel as it can get". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissy Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I think it depends on the shop doesn't it? I know there are a few out there I'd consider a punishment to have to enter. Seriously though I consider it to be beyond belief, where is the curtailment of freedom? Where is the actual punishment? How is it justified? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Actor Edward Woodward has died aged 79. RIP+ to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kell Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 So sad about EW - he'll be much missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Why on earth was a convicted murderer out on a shopping trip? Surely she should have been locked up and serving her sentence, not getting excorted round the shops? Disgusting! I like the way she managed to escape while her escorts were perusing the fragrances counter in Boots... Nice to see she is going on a tax payer funded shopping trip though, that'll learn her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissy Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Actor Edward Woodward has died aged 79. RIP+ to him. That has really saddened me. Such a brilliant actor, and always came across as a really decent man whenever I saw him in interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nici Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Just cruel. Those poor children. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/8362815.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Oh that's terrible. When one thinks about what could have happened... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catwoman Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Actor Edward Woodward has died aged 79. RIP+ to him. RIP Edward! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Just cruel. Those poor children. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/8362815.stm Nici, I remember reading about this when it first happened. I can not believe that they've given her a suspended sentence.. because she was under a lot of stress!! The rest of us manage to deal with stress without damaging our children! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nollaig Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 The rest of us manage to deal with stress without damaging our children! This situation is in NO WAY funny, and I'm not suggesting it is - but Michelle your wording cracked me up. I had this image of dropping a child in a store, cracking it, and having to buy it as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ned Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8375326.stm Man misdiagnosed as being in coma for 23 YEARS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie2008 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 That is amazing that he woke after 23 years. Gives other people hope too (although after twenty years I can imagine all hope would be gone). Just shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ned Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 He didn't wake up though, he was aware all the time he was just paralysed. His brain was still properly functioning. 23 years of just lying there not being able to tell people you were awake and aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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