Karsa Orlong Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 A lot of the names were in there, yeah. I liked Barrymore being the army dude, and Grimpen Mire being replaced by Grimpen Minefield Some of the things that happened were loosely based on events in the book, but the overall story wasn't much like the original at all. Also, Holmes was present throughout - he threatened to send Watson on his own to investigate but changed his mind immediately. Without spoiling it, the book is very much Watson's story. Give it a read, it's great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karen.d Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 A lot of the names were in there, yeah. I liked Barrymore being the army dude, and Grimpen Mire being replaced by Grimpen Minefield Some of the things that happened were loosely based on events in the book, but the overall story wasn't much like the original at all. Also, Holmes was present throughout - he threatened to send Watson on his own to investigate but changed his mind immediately. Without spoiling it, the book is very much Watson's story. Give it a read, it's great! I was discussing the novels with a friend today. It seems like the tv show is quite different from the novels. So I think that I will have to get my hands on the original text, to compare the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyzenthlay Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Does anyone else notice how similar this is to Dr Who? And I laughed when Watson called Sherlock for "Spock" in a mocking way, especially since B.Cumberbatch is playing in the new Star Trek sequel. I saw the episode last night with my boyfriend & really liked it, though I'm driving him nuts by saying every five minutes "Oh that is just TYPICAL Moffat!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesilbeach Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Really didn't enjoy this one, but can't put my finger on why. Felt irritated through most of it, and have been enjoying this series less than the first. Will watch the last one, but may not bother if they make any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karen.d Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Does anyone else notice how similar this is to Dr Who? And I laughed when Watson called Sherlock for "Spock" in a mocking way, especially since B.Cumberbatch is playing in the new Star Trek sequel. I saw the episode last night with my boyfriend & really liked it, though I'm driving him nuts by saying every five minutes "Oh that is just TYPICAL Moffat!" I thought the same thing. Although being a 'Dr Who' fan too, I quite enjoyed the dark nature of the programme. It's definitely what Moffat does best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kell Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Last Sherlock tonight at 9pm on BBC1, folks! Who's going to be watching? I know I am! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmo Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I'll be watching it, counting down the minutes now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karen.d Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I'm going to have wait until tomorrow until I watch this week's episode. Will post my thoughts on it then. I can't believe that it's the end of the series already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I watched! I think it's such a great show, I hope they make another series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsa Orlong Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) My dislike of their interpretation of Moriarty aside, that was probably my favourite episode so far. It actually slowed down and took its time, and was better for it, imo, and I thought the last ten minutes or so was really well handled. Any theories re Sherlock's 'death'? I reckon Molly arranged for something to be there for him to land on - mainly because of the way he delayed his jump and made Watson stand in a certain position - from where Watson couldn't see the pavement - and then Watson was deliberately knocked down by the cyclist to delay him getting to the scene so that the bystanders (probably all arranged by Molly to be there) could spray some fake blood around etc. Sherlock lies there playing dead, fake paramadics turn up, fake death certificate etc via Molly. Edited January 16, 2012 by Karsa Orlong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Reader Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Oh nice theory KO I hadn't actually put any thought into it as decided I would be no where near the truth but now that you have said that it does make sense to one question I had. My question was how comes a crowd gathered around Sherlock when he was partially hidden but no one went to check in John when he was clearly in the middle of the road so using your theory the crowd around Sherlock must have been actors I will definitely have to watch that one again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsa Orlong Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Oh nice theory KO I hadn't actually put any thought into it as decided I would be no where near the truth but now that you have said that it does make sense to one question I had. My question was how comes a crowd gathered around Sherlock when he was partially hidden but no one went to check in John when he was clearly in the middle of the road so using your theory the crowd around Sherlock must have been actors I will definitely have to watch that one again Also ... If memory serves, the crowd prevented Watson from checking Sherlock's pulse, didn't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickle Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I agree Karsa, I guessed that was probably how it was done. I was not a big fan of Moriarty (I mean the acting obviously his villany is superb ) his chopping and changing voice was a little high pitched for me. The other thing I have a small problem with is Mycroft he has always been portrayed as being the brainier more cerebral of the two brothers in the books but he appears to be a bit gullible in this, I love the way he is acted and I love the way he interacts with his brother but I am less sure they portray his intelligence well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmo Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Was a very good episode. Apparently there will be a third series as long as Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch are both available and willing to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kell Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 The way I think it went is like this: Sherlock specifically told Molly he had always trusted her and that she DID count - Molly works in the morgue, therefore would be able to help falsify his death. Also, through her hospital contacts she would be able to arrange that Sherlock was taken straight in to a specific doctor when he was admitted. Watson was told to stand in a specific place so he couldn't see Sherlock's full descent. Sherlock "landed" next to what I believe was a rubbish skip - could he have had something soft in there to land on then quickly jumped out? The cyclist was a deliberate delaying tactic so that the actors could surround Sherlock on the pavement. Remember the whole subplot about "Rich Brook" being an actor? I believe that was a pointer towards more actors being used in this "suicide" scene. If Moriarty hadn't killed himself, I believe Sherlock would actually have killed him - he said himself he was willing to do anything and go as far as he had to in order to get the job done. Sherlock knew from the off about the reporter and knew he was "being played" - of COURSE he knew Rich Brook was the anglicised version of Reichenbach - he's a genius! Therefore he HAD to take Watson there in order to have the seeds of doubt firmly sown in his head, so that the suicide would be plausible. Molly said she noticed Sherlock looked sad when he thought Watson couldn't see him - the strain of knowing how his faked death and fall from grace would affect his friend would have been terrible. I have to admit, I shed a few tears when Sherlock was on the roof, shedding tears of his own. This was my favourite episode yet, despite the fact that I do not like how Moriarty has been portrayed as a giggling psycho in this series (I've always pictured him as being as cool and calculating as Sherlock - the psychopath to Sherlock's sociopath, if you will). The giggling just didn't do it for me. However, that's pretty much my only complaint. There just HAVE to me more episodes coming!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsa Orlong Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I'll have to watch the end again ... Kell, I think the rubbish skip is spot on (might have been a truck - I think we saw some vehicle or other drive away - but the theory's the same). The whole idea of the crowd being actors is exactly what I thought, too, same as the cyclist, and I suspect Mycroft was in on it with Molly, closing roads off to traffic, making sure no random passers-by were there, etc etc - doubt Molly could've organised that without someone's help. You're right about Sherlock surely knowing about Rich Brook etc, I'm sure. There's another theory doing the rounds that it wasn't Sherlock lying on the ground, but a corpse that Molly had appropriated from the mortuary. The corpse was wearing a Sherlock mask, which would tie in with why the little girl screamed when she saw Sherlock (because Moriarty also wore a Sherlock mask when he held the kids captive). Sherlock was driven off in the back of the truck. This one's a bit more far-fetched, but we did see a body hit the ground - perhaps the corpse was thrown out of the back of the truck by Sherlock? I'm sure Moffatt and co are sitting back reading all these theories this morning and deciding what to do - I half suspect they don't know the answer themselves at the moment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Reader Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 There's another theory doing the rounds that it wasn't Sherlock lying on the ground, but a corpse that Molly had appropriated from the mortuary. The corpse was wearing a Sherlock mask, which would tie in with why the little girl screamed when she saw Sherlock (because Moriarty also wore a Sherlock mask when he held the kids captive). of course and that also reminds me that in the first episode of this sereis that woman (the "escort") faked her own death and we saw her "body" in the morge so Molly and Shelock must have used the same methods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 My daughter and I came up with the same theories as outlined above, including Mollie's involvement, the cadaver and the strategically placed skip. According to R2, Moffat announced on Twitter last night that there will definitely be a third series - hurrah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsa Orlong Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let's hope Martin Freeman can squeeze filming in this year in the midst of his commitment to The Hobbit and its promotion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let's hope Martin Freeman can squeeze filming in this year in the midst of his commitment to The Hobbit and its promotion! Plus Benedict Cumberbatch being signed up to play an as yet un-named villian in the next Star Trek film Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anisia Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let's hope Martin Freeman can squeeze filming in this year in the midst of his commitment to The Hobbit and its promotion! Plus Benedict Cumberbatch being signed up to play an as yet un-named villian in the next Star Trek film If season 3 was commisioned in the same time with season 2 (that's what Gatiss said on Twitter) then maybe they've already worked around all the commitments or at least around some of them *fingers crossed* . I also agree with the ideas written above, I'm very curious to see what the new season brings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anisia Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Thought I'd share this - I definitely am one of the people who became interested in reading all the books after watching the TV show (the movies have had no impact on me, haven't even seen the first one). http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-01-17/benedict-cumberbatch%27s-sherlock-boosts-conan-doyle-book-sales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyzenthlay Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Also ... If memory serves, the crowd prevented Watson from checking Sherlock's pulse, didn't they? Well... He did check his peripheral pulse but that isn't exactly reliable in high-stress situations. As part of resucitation we're taught not to do it. Spot on, Kell. I thought the scene between Molly and Sherlock was amazing, and also I really appreciated how her intelligence was juxtaposed with the reporter's stupidity. She could really read him. Who needs Irene Adler - Molly is what it's all about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I've been avoiding this thread, until I caught up with this series, and we finally watched the third one last night. Thought it was brilliant. I tend to agree with the theories about Sherlock's jump - as soon as Watson was knocked over by the cyclist, I thought there was something odd about that. And yes, I definitely think the other people around were actors, who Molly had helped in assembling. I thought Watson's scene at Sherlock's grave was very moving. But I just wanted to shake that stupid reporter!!!! Btw, does everyone think Moriarty is actually dead? I find it hard to see how he could have faked his death, but for someone of his intelligence, there must have been a way. Can't really see them doing a series without Sherlock's arch enemy featuring in it somewhere, even though personally I prefer the episodes without Moriarty in. I like the mysteries, without all the rivalry and enmity between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsa Orlong Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Btw, does everyone think Moriarty is actually dead? I find it hard to see how he could have faked his death, but for someone of his intelligence, there must have been a way. Can't really see them doing a series without Sherlock's arch enemy featuring in it somewhere, even though personally I prefer the episodes without Moriarty in. I like the mysteries, without all the rivalry and enmity between the two. I kind of hope that Moriarty is dead - not because I dislike this interpretation of the character, but because he was actually only involved in a couple of Conan Doyle's original stories (he may have been mentioned in others, but appeared in just two, I believe), so the perception of him being Holmes's recurring nemesis has become a bit skewed over the years. I don't think he appeared again after 'The Final Problem', which was the original short story that involved the Reichenbach Falls, but I'm sure someone else will be able to confirm or correct that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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