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That's alright Michelle, I probably took it a little bit too personally anyway I'm always a bit defensive when it comes to BB because there are always people who want to take the mickey out of those who watch it.

Just watched episode 4, and this was the first episode I really enjoyed! Watching the talent show was fun, especially seeing LaToya performing.

One more thing that I just couldn't pass without saying something: Maybe I took this the wrong way, but that felt a bit patronizing to me. Just because I do not agree on the sympathy vote, I do analyse BB as I watch it. I'm no more wrong in not realising the sympathy vote than you are right in realising it. No offence.

Ivyleaf, eventhough I disagree with you on the sympathy vote, I am glad that you voiced your opinion. Different kinds of points-of-view are always welcome! And I do agree with you on BB wanting to provoke situations by putting representatives of minorities to deal with the majority. There's nothing more characteristic to BB than expecting hot girls to hook-up with hot boys! But, IMHO, one doesn't have to vote for Verne or feel any pressure to do so. If one likes, let's say, Mutya better, then one may go for that. There's also no reason NOT to vote for Verne if one just happens to like him the best. Yes, I understand what you mean by sympathy vote, I just don't believe that one has to have anything to do with it. Just vote for who you like the best or who you think deserves to win - there's nothing more to it.

He will only get the sympathy vote if people (that's us!) vote for him out of sympathy. So there is a choice you know

Helloooo, and welcome!

Hello and welcome!

Hello and welcome! I'm sorry to hear your previous forum got shut down =( But I'm sure you'll enjoy this one!

Looking for dead people might actually be some kind of voluntary work you do with your dog that's got great sense of smell. Although I think it would be preferred to be called looking for missing people.

I don't think there's any pressure to vote him to win, why should there be?

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I couldn't resist either. I've never watched celebrity bb before and had to give it a shot when I noticed that the new season has just begun. I recognised all the American celebs, and Mutya and Ulrika (though I don't know why) but didn't know any of the others. So far it's been a bit boring. It's also been a bit difficult to understand some of their conversations: so many different dialects! I love Tommy's, by the way! So far I like LaToya, Verne, Coolio, Terry and Tommy. Tina seems nice too.

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Hello and welcome to the forum!

Dancer in the Dark should win some kind of a trophy in this category, never have I cried so much during a movie. The tears came sometime before the middle of the movie and never stopped after that. There was snot involved too, it was that bad.

Wow, that's a very impressive list, there's some great reads there and books that I want to read too! You're going to have a very good year

Books I read in 2009 1. Sophie Kinsella: Remember Me? 4/5 2. Kathy Reichs: Fatal Voyage 4/5 3. Helen Keller: The Story of My Life 1/5 4. Sofi Oksanen: Baby Jane 3/5 5. Kathy Reichs: Grave Secrets 2/5 6. Kathy Reics: Bare Bones 3/5 7. Sofi Oksanen: Stalinin lehmät 4/5 8. Franz Kafka: The Metamorphosis 2/5 9. Jacqueline Sheehan: Lost & Found 3/5 10. Robert Louis Stevenson: Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde 5/5 11. F. Scott Fitzgerald: The Great Gatsby 3/5 12. William Golding: The Lord of the Flies 2/5 13. Franz Kafka: The Trial 2/5 14. Mary Ann Shaffer: The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society 5/5 15. Bram Stoker: Dracula 4/5 16. Anthony Burgess: A Clockwork Orange 4/5 17. Stephen King: Gerald's Game 2/5 18. Terry Pratchett: Going Postal 1/5 19. Bret Easton Ellis: American Psycho 2/5 20. Neil Gaiman: The Graveyard Book 2/5 21. Anne Rice: Interview with the Vampire 4/5 22. Terry Pratchett: Thud! 1/5 23. Greg Kincaid: A Dog Named Christmas 3/5 24. Märta Tikkanen: Miestä ei voi raiskata 4/5 25. Lois Lowry: The Giver 5/5 26. Sofi Oksanen: Puhdistus 5/5 27. Juhani Aho: Rautatie 4/5 28. Toivo Pekkanen: Tehtaan varjossa 2/5 29. James Ellroy: The Black Dahlia 4/5 30. Frank L. Baum: The Wonderful Wizard of Oz 2/5 31. John Boyne: The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas 5/5 32. Iain Banks: The Wasp Factory 1/5 33. Louisa May Alcott: Little Women 4/5 34. Louisa May Alcott: Good Wives 3/5 35. Katherine Applegate: Summer Can't Choose 4/5 36. Mitch Albom: The Five People You Meet in Heaven 3/5 37. Vikas Swarup: Q&A 5/5 38. Chuck Palahniuk: Fight Club 2/5 39. Alice Hoffman: Blue Diary 2/5 40. Jeffery Deaver: Bone Collector 4/5 41. Mitch Albom: Tuesdays with Morrie 3/5 42. L. M. Montgomery: Emily of New Moon 4/5 43. Jeffery Deaver: The Coffin Dancer 5/5 44. Paulo Coelho: The Alchemist 2/5 45. Katherine Applegate: Seth Want More 4/5 46. Katherine Applegate: Diana Fights Back 4/5 47. Katherine Applegate: Marquez Breaks Free 4/5 48. Katherine Applegate: Summer's Last Chance 4/5 49. Katherine Applegate: Diana Makes a Move 4/5 50. Katherine Applegate: Looking for Diver 4/5 51. Jeff Lindsay: Darkly Dreaming Dexter 4/5 52. Jeff Lindsay: Dearly Devoted Dexter 4/5 53. Tuija Lehtinen: Joka kimma sen tietää 4/5 54. Chelsea Cain: Heartsick 4/5 55. Aino Kontula: Rexi on homo ja opettajat hullui! 3/5 56. Chelsea Cain: Sweetheart 4/5 57. Derek Landy: Skulduggery Pleasant 2/5 58. Derek Landy: Playing with Fire 2/5 59. Jennifer Weiner: Goodnight Nobody 3/5 60. Paulo Coelho: Veronica Decides to Die 3/5 61. Lynda La Plante: Trial & Retribution 1. 3/5 62. Ann Rule: Stranger Beside me 5/5 63. Marja-Leena Tiainen: Suoraa sarkaa ja samettia 3/5 64. Alexander McCall Smith: The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency 3/5 65. Robert Bloch: Psycho 4/5 66. Haruki Murakami: Sputnik Sweetheart 3/5 67. Gavriil Troyepolsky: White Bim Black Ear 5/5 68. Seth Grahame-Smith: Pride and Prejudice and Zombies: 2/5 69. Meg Cabot: The Princess Diaries 3/5 70. Chris Niles: Hell's Kitchen 3/5 71. Toby Clements: The No. 2 Global Detective 2/5 72. Meg Cabot: Princess in the Spotlight 3/5 73. Ian Rankin: Knots and Crosses 4/5 74. John Steinbeck: Of Mice and Men 4/5 75. Charlaine Harris: Dead Until Dark 4/5 76. Graham Greene: Travels with My Aunt 3/5 77. Lee Goldberg: Mr Monk Goes to the Firehouse 4/5 78. Michel Faber: Under the Skin 5/5 79. Charlaine Harris: Living Dead in Dallas 5/5 80. Charlaine Harris: Club Dead 5/5 81. Candice F. Ransom: My Sister the Meanie 3/5 82. Candice F. Ransom: My Sister the Creep 4/5 83. Candice F. Ransom: My Sister the Traitor 4/5 84. Meg Cabot: Princess in Love 4/5 85. Meg Cabot: Pincess in Waiting 2/5 86. Charlaine Harris: Dead to the World 4/5 87. Charlaine Harris: Dead as a Doornail 5/5 88. Charlaine Harris: Definitely Dead 3/5 89. Marianne Käcko: Tapa minut, äiti! 3/5 90. Charlaine Harris: All Together Dead 3/5 91. Charlaine Harris: From Dead to Worse 3/5 92. Charlaine Harris: Dead and Gone 5/5 93. Joyce Carol Oates: Rape - A Love Story 4/5 94. Chelsea Cain: Evil at Heart 4/5 95. Garth Stein: The Art of Racing in the Rain 5/5 96. Erica Spindler: In Silence 3/5 97. Arthur Conan Doyle: The Hound of the Baskervilles 3/5 98. Einar Mar Gudmundsson: Kaikkeuden Enkelit 3/5 99. Tuija Lehtinen: Siskokullat 2/5 100. Ken Bruen: Priest 4/5 101. Karin Slaughter: Blindsighted 5/5 102. Mark Billingham: Sleepyhead 3/5 103. Jean- Dominique Bauby: The Diving Bell and the Humming Bird 1/5 104. Karin Slaughter: Kisscut 4/5 105. Karin Slaughter: A Faint Cold Fear 4/5 106. Karin Slaughter: Indelible 5/5 107. Karin Slaughter: Faithless 4/5 108. Karin Slaughter: Triptych 5/5 109. Karin Slaughter: Beyond Reach 3/5 110. Sophie Kinsella: Twenties Girl 5/5 111. Jeff Lindsay: Dexter in the Dark 2/5 112. Heikki Turunen: Seitsemän kurvin suora 4/5 113. Väinö Linna: Tuntematon sotilas 4/5 114. Kira Poutanen: Ihana meri 1/5 115. Janet Evanovich: One for the Money 3/5 116. Anu Jaantila: Jenkkivuosi 3/5 117. Anu Jaantila: Dear Sanna 5/5 118. Anu Jaantila: Sanna ja Sam - Forever? 5/5

After the last post I've read the following books: - Stephenie Meyer: New Moon 9/10 - D. H. Lawrence: Lady Chatterley's Lover 5/10 - Philip Roth: Portnoy's Complaint 7/10 - Gaetan Soucy: The Girl Who Was Too Fond of Matches 8/10 - Diana Wynne Jones: Fire and Hemlock 10/10 - Sarah Dunant: Birth Marks 9/10 - Terry Pratchett: Johnny and the Dead 9/10 - Kathy Reichs: Deadly Decisions 8/10 So I guess that's it for the year 2008. It was a very, very good year. Here's what I thought of 2008 readingwise (from the thread in generel discussion on books): "This year was superb for me! - I joined this forum (which increased my TBR) - I've found play.com These books stood out for me this year: - Alain de Botton: How Proust Can Change Your Life - Tuula-Liina Varis: Kilpikonna ja olkimarsalkka - Ronald Hayman: The Death and Life of Sylvia Plath - Joanne Harris: Gentlemen and Players - Diane Setterfield: The Thirteenth Tale - Sarah Waters: Fingersmith - Augusten Burroughs: Dry - Markus Zusak: The Book Thief - Augusten Burroughs: A Wolf at the Table - Mark Haddon: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time -John Grogan: Marley and Me - Stephenie Meyer's Twilight-series - Sarah Dunant (Hannah Wolfe -series) Writers I discovered: - Elizabeth Flock - Sarah Waters - Terry Pratchett - Neil Gaiman - Kathy Reichs Plus, I spent some good times with Sue Townsend's Adrian Mole diaries which I hadn't read in ages." Finally the statistics: - books read: 78 - books bought: at least 116 (wow, I never knew I bought so many... things definitely got out of control this year.

Dirt reruns!