frankie Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 (edited) Interesting posts above re name changes. I wonder why they change them?? That's something I have never considered! I always thought it was because for Dutch and Belgian children, very English-sounding names might be hard to pronounce so they change the name into something more 'Dutch'. I could be wrong though. They change the names here in Finland, too, on occasion. I think one reason is the one Athena's mentioned above. The other one is that if there's a name that bears some sort of meaning in English, they want to translate that into the other language and give it the same meaning in that language. For example, Sirius Black is Sirius Musta in Finnish, 'musta' being 'black' in Finnish. And another example: Snape I believe was Rowland's idea of a name that is snappish and makes one think of a snake, too. In Finnish, the character was named Kalkaros, which reminds the reader of 'kalkkarokäärme', a rattle snake. It also makes me, personally, think of the word 'kolkko', which means 'dreary'. The Finnish translator did a really fine job with the series and she's actually published a book on the translating process and what thoughts went into it I love it that I'm able to read the series in both the original English, and Finnish, and they are both so fabulously made. Athena, what is Snape called in Dutch? Did they translate his name into something, too? I read E. Lockhart - We Were Liars. I quite enjoyed reading this book. I didn't guess the twists. I liked the short chapters and I liked the way the book was written. I also liked the characters, though in the beginning I had a bit of trouble remembering who was who since there are a lot of characters (though of course some are more important than others). I'm happy you didn't struggle with the writing like I did I saw you gave it 5/5 on Goodreads? Edited August 13, 2016 by frankie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Pixie Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 (edited) I`m always amused by the sounds that animals make in different languages - like Cock-a-doodle-do for English cockerels, and kik-a-ree-ki for German ones. Edited August 13, 2016 by Little Pixie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 14, 2016 Author Share Posted August 14, 2016 Of course! I didn't consider that. Makes perfect sense. They change the names here in Finland, too, on occasion. I think one reason is the one Athena's mentioned above. The other one is that if there's a name that bears some sort of meaning in English, they want to translate that into the other language and give it the same meaning in that language. For example, Sirius Black is Sirius Musta in Finnish, 'musta' being 'black' in Finnish. And another example: Snape I believe was Rowland's idea of a name that is snappish and makes one think of a snake, too. In Finnish, the character was named Kalkaros, which reminds the reader of 'kalkkarokäärme', a rattle snake. It also makes me, personally, think of the word 'kolkko', which means 'dreary'. The Finnish translator did a really fine job with the series and she's actually published a book on the translating process and what thoughts went into it I love it that I'm able to read the series in both the original English, and Finnish, and they are both so fabulously made. Athena, what is Snape called in Dutch? Did they translate his name into something, too? I'm happy you didn't struggle with the writing like I did I saw you gave it 5/5 on Goodreads? You're totally right! Sirius Black is called Sirius Zwart here, black is 'zwart' in Dutch. I didn't think of that. Snape is called 'Sneep' in Dutch if I remember correctly. A snake in Dutch is a 'slang' so they're not entirely related. 'Sneep' would be pronounced similarly to the English 'Snape'. Diagonally is called 'Wegisweg' in Dutch which means 'roadisgone', two meanings of the word 'weg'. How nice the Finnish translator is writing that book . It's pretty great to be able to read the series in two languages, I agree . I`m always amused by the sounds that animals make in different languages - like Cock-a-doodle-do for English cockerels, and kik-a-ree-ki for German ones. I find that quite interesting too. In Dutch it's 'kukeleku'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Pixie Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I find that quite interesting too. In Dutch it's 'kukeleku'. That`s cute ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 That`s cute ! Thanks, I like it too. The English and German seem nice as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 I read Becky Albertalli - Simon vs the Homo Sapiens Agenda. This is a contemporary novel about a teenager named Simon, who is gay. Simon e-mails with this guy called Blue (not his real name) and they really like each other. They go to the same school but they don't know who the other person is. One of Simon's classmates school finds out about Simon being gay, and wants to blackmail Simon. I thought it was a really good read. I really felt for Simon. He was a very likeable character. I really enjoyed reading this book. The book has chapters written from Simon's 1rst person view, and there are chapters with e-mails between Simon and Blue. Then I read Peter Monn - The Before Now And After Then. This is also a book about a teenager who's gay (his name is Danny). I know the author of this book (through online), and I think this is the first time I read a novel knowing the author. I liked reading this book. Because I know the author I could recognise bits of his life in the book, and that was very nice. My only complaint is that the first edition I bought, contains a few spelling errors and typoes. But Penname Publishing is a small publisher (set up by Peter's friend Tonya if I remember correctly) and this is Peter's debut novel, so it's understandable. There weren't that many errors, but more than in ie. a book published by Penguin (such as Simon vs the Homo Sapiens Agenda). It should be noted that I note errors very quickly, so someone else reading this book may not spot some of the errors. I really liked the characters in this book. Danny and Rusty were great, and Alex (Danny's "uncle", his mum's gay best friend) was a pretty cool character too. Overall I really liked reading both books. I prefer Simon vs the Homo Sapiens Agenda if I had to choose, but I'm glad I read both books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 17, 2016 Author Share Posted August 17, 2016 I received a pre-order in the post: Trudi Canavan - Millennium's Rule 2: Angel of Storms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Pixie Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Enjoy your new book ! Trudi Canavan`s an author I keep thinking about trying. Is there a particular book you`d recommend ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 Enjoy your new book ! Trudi Canavan`s an author I keep thinking about trying. Is there a particular book you`d recommend ? Thanks . Out of her books, I've read these: Trudi Canavan - The Black Magician Trilogy 1: The Magicians' Guild Trudi Canavan - The Black Magician Trilogy 2: The Novice Trudi Canavan - The Black Magician Trilogy 3: The High Lord Trudi Canavan - The Black Magician Trilogy 0: The Magician's Apprentice (prequel) Trudi Canavan - The Traitor Spy Trilogy 1: The Ambassador's Mission Trudi Canavan - The Traitor Spy Trilogy 2: The Rogue Trudi Canavan - The Traitor Spy Trilogy 3: The Traitor Queen Trudi Canavan - The Age Of The Five 1: Priestess Of The White Trudi Canavan - The Age Of The Five 2: Last Of The Wilds Trudi Canavan - The Age Of The Five 3: Voice Of The Gods I haven't read: Trudi Canavan - Millennium's Rule 1: Thief's Magic Trudi Canavan - Millennium's Rule 2: Angel of Storms (the new one) I would recommend reading The Traitor Spy Trilogy after reading The Black Magician Trilogy, because The Traitor Spy Trilogy takes place in the same world but some years later. I would also recommend reading The Black Magician Trilogy before reading the prequel The Magician's Apprentice, because I think it's a nicer introduction this way (you could read The Magician's Apprentice first too though). The Age of the Five is a trilogy in a completely different world, not related to the other two trilogies. Her books are high fantasy and feature strong female characters (in my opinion). So I guess I'd recommend starting with The Black Magician Trilogy 1: The Magicians' Guild (her debut, though probably the weakest novel out of all of them) or The Age Of The Five 1: Priestess Of The White, or Millennium's Rule 1: Thief's Magic, which is her YA high fantasy series, but I haven't read it yet so I can't tell you if it's good (I might wait until book 3 is out before reading all 3 of them). I've liked all of her books that I've read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 I've received Neil Pasricha - The Book of Awesome 2: The Book of (Even More) Awesome in the post: I think it goes well with my table cloth . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Pixie Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Nice pics ! Thanks for the Trudi Canavan info. I`ve Kimpled The Black Magician, The Age of Five and Millenium`s Rule ( the first one looks especially good, but I like the sound of all of them ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 Nice pics ! Thanks ! Thanks for the Trudi Canavan info. I`ve Kimpled The Black Magician, The Age of Five and Millenium`s Rule ( the first one looks especially good, but I like the sound of all of them ). You're welcome. I hope you enjoy whichever one(s) you end up reading . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 I read Amie Kaufman and Jay Kristoff - The Illuminae Files 1: Illuminae. This story is about two teenagers whose colony gets attacked and they flee it using space ships (along with many other people). But not all is well aboard the ships. It's told in a very interesting way, through chats, e-mails, interviews, case files, reports, black pages with white text formatted in an interesting way, etc. I thought this was a great way of telling the story. In the beginning I had a bit of trouble connecting to the characters, because of the way the story is written. I also didn't feel in the mood to read at that point, having just got my new phone I just wanted to focus on that instead . It took me 3 days to read the first 30% of the book, then yesterday I told myself to just sit down and read for a while - and I managed to read quite a lot then. I got much more into the story, reading it for a longer period of time, and I finished the book today. There were a couple of twists I didn't see coming - so good. I'm curious about the next book, it looks like the paperback will be out shortly before my birthday, so I think I'll make it a birthday gift. Along with a couple of other books I discovered, most of which will be out in October. I'm excited . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 I read A. S. King - Everybody Sees The Ants. This book is about a teenage boy named Lucky who is bullied by this mean boy. He lost his grandfather in the Vietnam War, his grandfather is still missing in action (MIA). At night he dreams about his grandfather in Vietnam. Lucky isn't sure what to do about the bullying. This was a nice book about bullying, grief, family, coming-of-age. I quite liked reading this book. The book has a little bit of magical realism, or not depending on your perspective. I bought some new books at the Terre des Hommes yesterday: Simon de Waal - Vector Simon van der Geest (ill. Karst-Janneke Rogaar) - Per Ongelukt! Esther Gerritsen - Broer David Nicholls - One Day Jonathan Coe - The Terrible Privary of Maxwell Sim Cathy Kelly - Echt Verliefd! (Never Too Late) Cathy Kelly - Voor Mijn Vriendin (Best of Friends) A. M. Homes - Dit Boek Redt Je Leven (This Book Will Save Your Life) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Begins Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I'm glad you liked the AS King and hope you like all your new books! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 I'm glad you liked the AS King and hope you like all your new books! Thanks, Anna ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More reading time required Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Thanks . Out of her books, I've read these: Trudi Canavan - The Black Magician Trilogy 1: The Magicians' Guild Trudi Canavan - The Black Magician Trilogy 2: The Novice Trudi Canavan - The Black Magician Trilogy 3: The High Lord Trudi Canavan - The Black Magician Trilogy 0: The Magician's Apprentice (prequel) Trudi Canavan - The Traitor Spy Trilogy 1: The Ambassador's Mission Trudi Canavan - The Traitor Spy Trilogy 2: The Rogue Trudi Canavan - The Traitor Spy Trilogy 3: The Traitor Queen Trudi Canavan - The Age Of The Five 1: Priestess Of The White Trudi Canavan - The Age Of The Five 2: Last Of The Wilds Trudi Canavan - The Age Of The Five 3: Voice Of The Gods I haven't read: Trudi Canavan - Millennium's Rule 1: Thief's Magic Trudi Canavan - Millennium's Rule 2: Angel of Storms (the new one) I would recommend reading The Traitor Spy Trilogy after reading The Black Magician Trilogy, because The Traitor Spy Trilogy takes place in the same world but some years later. I would also recommend reading The Black Magician Trilogy before reading the prequel The Magician's Apprentice, because I think it's a nicer introduction this way (you could read The Magician's Apprentice first too though). The Age of the Five is a trilogy in a completely different world, not related to the other two trilogies. Her books are high fantasy and feature strong female characters (in my opinion). So I guess I'd recommend starting with The Black Magician Trilogy 1: The Magicians' Guild (her debut, though probably the weakest novel out of all of them) or The Age Of The Five 1: Priestess Of The White, or Millennium's Rule 1: Thief's Magic, which is her YA high fantasy series, but I haven't read it yet so I can't tell you if it's good (I might wait until book 3 is out before reading all 3 of them). I've liked all of her books that I've read. I really liked the Black Magician Trilogy (though have not read the prequel yet), but I didn't really get on with the Age of Five trilogy, so I haven't read any of hers since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Pixie Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I really liked the Black Magician Trilogy (though have not read the prequel yet), but I didn't really get on with the Age of Five trilogy, so I haven't read any of hers since. I put the first Black Magician book in my ` buy when it`s a good price ` list on Amazon - it`s £2.06 now, so I`m waiting for more books to fall, to make it up to £10 for the free p&p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Pixie Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Your new books look great ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 24, 2016 Author Share Posted August 24, 2016 I really liked the Black Magician Trilogy (though have not read the prequel yet), but I didn't really get on with the Age of Five trilogy, so I haven't read any of hers since. That's a shame. The Age of the Five is different than The Black Magician Trilogy. I think The Traitor Spy Trilogy is more similar to the latter than to The Age of the Five. But I totally get you stopped reading after not really getting on with The Age of the Five. I put the first Black Magician book in my ` buy when it`s a good price ` list on Amazon - it`s £2.06 now, so I`m waiting for more books to fall, to make it up to £10 for the free p&p. That sounds good . That's a great price. Your new books look great ! Thanks ! I'm still not quite feeling like reading, but I did manage to re-read Dominique Dumortier - Van Een Andere Planeet. It's a memoir about a woman with autism. It was 140 pages. The author belonged to the same mailing list I was a part of when I was a teenager, and when she said she was publishing her book, I bought it (this was back in 2002 or 2003 I think). I enjoyed re-reading this book. It was nice to read something different (that was my intention), and it was nice to read about things I recognise from my own life. Of course, there were also things in the memoir I don't recognise from my own life, but it was nice to read them anyway, it was pretty interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More reading time required Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 That's a shame. The Age of the Five is different than The Black Magician Trilogy. I think The Traitor Spy Trilogy is more similar to the latter than to The Age of the Five. But I totally get you stopped reading after not really getting on with The Age of the Five. It may have just been one of those situations when sometimes you don't get on with books at certain times in your life, but revisiting them gets a better reaction. I probably will have a look at the Traitor Spy trilogy at some point if that is more like the BM trilogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 It may have just been one of those situations when sometimes you don't get on with books at certain times in your life, but revisiting them gets a better reaction. I probably will have a look at the Traitor Spy trilogy at some point if that is more like the BM trilogy. I have had that happen too in my life with certain books . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 You're totally right! Sirius Black is called Sirius Zwart here, black is 'zwart' in Dutch. I didn't think of that. Snape is called 'Sneep' in Dutch if I remember correctly. A snake in Dutch is a 'slang' so they're not entirely related. 'Sneep' would be pronounced similarly to the English 'Snape'. Diagonally is called 'Wegisweg' in Dutch which means 'roadisgone', two meanings of the word 'weg'. Oh my, the 'zwart' brings back memories! I've started to re-watch the TV series Soap, and there's an elder man in the show who's been in the war and is now old and a bit senile, and re-lives the war on a daily basis, and then the family has a guest whose nickname is Dutch, and the war veteran thinks he is Dutch. Of Dutch origin, that is Thanks for the Dutch re-cap on the Harry Potter translations, that was interesting! I think 'Wegisweg' is such a brilliant translation. Obviously a bit obvious, because it's right there, but it just proves how perfectly amazing languages are Brilliant stuff! I find that quite interesting too. In Dutch it's 'kukeleku'. Kukeleku made me think of a ukulele Over here, a cockerel's sound would be 'kukkokiekuu', which is very literal, as cockerel is 'kukko' in Finnish and when he's sounding out his very particular sound, the verb for it is 'kiekuu' in Finnish. So, kukko kiekuu 'kukkokiekuu'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Pixie Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Kukeleku made me think of a ukulele Over here, a cockerel's sound would be 'kukkokiekuu', which is very literal, as cockerel is 'kukko' in Finnish and when he's sounding out his very particular sound, the verb for it is 'kiekuu' in Finnish. So, kukko kiekuu 'kukkokiekuu'! Aw, that`s a nice word, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Aw, that`s a nice word, too. Thanks! Although I can't take any ownership of the pride... Now I'm thinking about it, Athena's 'kukuleku' made me think there's a word 'kukkelikuu' in Finnish, and I don't know what it's supposed to mean or describe, as it's really nothing... maybe it's when adults talk to babies. Ah, maybe I'm actually thinking about 'kukkuluuruu', which one says in Finnish when you guys would say 'peekaboo' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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