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    The Two Towers, by JRR Tolkien
  1. J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings

    I think I skipped over a lot of them the first time around, but I've been trying to read through them this time as they sometimes contain relevant information (and it's interesting to see what got into the films as well). I actually think they are more creepy in the book!
  2. J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings

    Concerning Hobbits (and the other sections in the prologue) are in the wrong place; I personally think they would fit better in the appendix at the end of The Return of the King. A section on pipeweed really isn't the best way to start off a three-volume story! I don't know which imprint of the book you are reading, and whether there is an introduction (and whether you read it), but I think Concerning Hobbits is where it is because Tolkien was being asked for more information on Hobbits, after the success of the The Hobbit, and he's basically addressed that literally - you wanted information on Hobbits, here it is! I think another author may have worked that information into body of the book, and got on with the story, rather than having it as a separate section. I think Fellowship is very much a book that expects you to have read The Hobbit, where - again - I think a different author may have given a bit more thought to someone coming to the book cold (especially when he was writing this book for an adult audience, rather than for children).
  3. Plot holes

    My experience of Christie novels and watching Poirot etc. is that you generally don't have enough information to identify the killer yourself by the end of the story - Christie always arranges it so that the detective either has some special insight or has found out something via an off-page/screen enquiry that is only revealed at the end.
  4. The Lord of the Rings

    And we're off! J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings - Group Reads - Book Club Forum Closing this thread.
  5. J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings

    Right open for discussion! Warning! This thread - by definition - will contain spoilers if you have not read the books! Spoiler tags won't be used as they will disrupt the flow of the discussion! I didn't realise I'd missed the prologue off the list last week, so I will hold A Short Cut to Mushrooms over to next week. Prologue: Concerning Hobbits 1. A Long-expected Party 2. The Shadow of the Past 3. Three is Company To get discussion going (From my blog...) Main thoughts so far: - Having the book open with a section on the history of Hobbits might be good for people who have read The Hobbit and want to know more about them, but coming to it cold must put a lot of people off the book (I know it put me off the first time I tried to read it). It also has a number of spoilers for what happens later in the book, although I must admit that I never picked up on them first time through. - It is all a bit twee; similar in tone to the start of The Hobbit. I know it changes as it goes along, and I know the reason why it is like this, but I think the films set the tone far better than the book does (there will probably be on-going comparisons with the films, as I'm quite familiar with them!) - The lack of urgency when it comes to Frodo leaving the shire feels... wrong - especially when you know what is after him! Gandalf knows Sauron has risen in the east; he knows Sauron knows the ring still exists; he knows Sauron knows someone called Baggins has the ring and where he lives. "Should I leave now, Gandalf?" "Nah, I doubt they will be along for a few weeks yet..." "Can I still have a Birthday Party?" "Of course!" *Ruffles Frodo's hair...* - The Black Riders at first appear to be fairly ordinary, but each time they reappear they become more and more sinister - I hadn't remembered that Pippin is with Sam and Frodo when they leave Bag End, and that Merry doesn't come into it until later.
  6. The Lord of the Rings

    No probs!
  7. The Lord of the Rings

    No worries! Hurrah!
  8. The Lord of the Rings

    Sounds like a good plan. Anyone else taking part? @virginia @timebug @Madeleine
  9. Read-a-thons 2022

    I keep forgetting about this, but I did read a few chapters of The Two Towers, last night.
  10. The Lord of the Rings

    Hope you've all started! Tick-tock! So who is taking part? Sound off below!
  11. What are you eating just now?

    Mcvities Victoria; got given a box in a Christmas hamper from work. Ordinary biscuits, poor chocolate. Plain chocolate Hob Nobs are so much better!
  12. What are you eating just now?

    Milk chocolate biscuits are so insipid.
  13. The Lord of the Rings

    I locked this last night, but then realised there was nowhere for people to ask questions, so I have unlocked this again in case anyone has some!
  14. The Lord of the Rings

    The thread for this group read can be found here: J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings - Group Reads - Book Club Forum
  15. Starting this Saturday (08/01/22) the aim will be for participants to read 4 chapters of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings every week, and to then comment on them as they go along! Starting with The Fellowship of the Rings, the first four chapters open for discussion from 15/01/22 will be: 1. A Long-expected Party 2. The Shadow of the Past 3. Three is Company 4. A Short Cut to Mushrooms Disclaimer! The films might come into this occasionally as well. This thread will be locked for comment until the 15th.