ned Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8413557.stm Rage Against The Machine outselling Joe McEldry. Best news i've heard in a long time:mrgreen: Quote
Stephanie2008 Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 No, don't be mean I'm going to buy the single tomorrow. Bless him, I hope he does get Xmas number one. Quote
ned Posted December 15, 2009 Author Posted December 15, 2009 I just bought RATM on itunes:mrgreen: about time someone done something and got a real song to number 1. If i wanted to listen to a Miley Cyrus song being murdered then i would listen to a Miley Cyrus song Quote
catwoman Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8413557.stm Rage Against The Machine outselling Joe McEldry. Best news i've heard in a long time:mrgreen: I knew that there was apparently a facebook group (I am not on Facebook so I was not sure) But RATM outselling. Really? Thats awesome. I used to love that band. Quote
pipread Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 In a way i will feel sorry for Joe but in another way i be happy it not someone from X factor that won. I agree with you It`ll be good if it`s not a foregone conclusion about the christmas number one. Good or bad the x-factor single has been number 1 in recent years. Quote
Rawr Posted December 16, 2009 Posted December 16, 2009 I hope Rage Against the Machine crushes this!!! Wake Up would have been a better choice though. Quote
Nollaig Posted December 16, 2009 Posted December 16, 2009 I hate both songs to be honest. Why anyone would want Killing In The Name Of as a Christmas no. 1 is beyond me. Talk about depressing. Also, the X Factor song is rubbish. If there were any justice in this world, Tim Minchin's campaign would win, and White Wine In The Sun would be number 1. That's a fabulous Christmas song. Quote
Rawr Posted December 16, 2009 Posted December 16, 2009 (edited) That's the whole point, it's taking the complete rip out of Cowell's machine and the whole show. So it literally is a whole lot of people raging against the machine There's nothing against the guy as he can obviously sing very well, but i guess people just want to try to make a statement. Edited December 16, 2009 by Rawr Quote
ned Posted December 16, 2009 Author Posted December 16, 2009 It will turn some people on to RATM as well, which can only be a good thing as they are a pretty decent band and may encourage people who usually listen to pop music to listen to something different Quote
Mexicola Posted December 16, 2009 Posted December 16, 2009 When Joe was asked what kind of music he was into, he replied with 'chart music'...Not even a specific genre or two- basically just anything that's popular. I think that says it all. Quote
Michelle Posted December 16, 2009 Posted December 16, 2009 You're all missing something though.. the X Factor single doesn't make it to the Christmas No 1 just because it exists, it's there because people are making a choice, and buying it. Do we actually have any good Christmas songs trying to fight for No 1, or have the record companies give up? If so, they only have themselves to blame. Quote
Mexicola Posted December 16, 2009 Posted December 16, 2009 I can't help but think though that the X Factor winner's single would triumph no matter who was singing it or what song it was. My OH worked in a music shop last Christmas, and said that so many people came into the shop, saw the X Factor logo and bought the single but didn't even know what the song was. Would The Climb get to number one if it hadn't been a product of the show? Is it really that good? Quote
ned Posted December 16, 2009 Author Posted December 16, 2009 Well Miley Cyrus released it and it never got to number 1 so there is proof that the song isn't good enough to hit the top Quote
Nollaig Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 That's the whole point, it's taking the complete rip out of Cowell's machine and the whole show. So it literally is a whole lot of people raging against the machine There's nothing against the guy as he can obviously sing very well, but i guess people just want to try to make a statement. You do realise the same company back both records? Yeah SIMON won't get anything out of RATM, but Sony, who back both records, gets the proceeds of BOTH sides, so all this is doing is give extra money to Sony. Clap, clap, ragers. Now how abouts you support a genuinely independant artist with a better Christmas song than either X Factor or RATM has ever come up with and get Tim Minchin's song up there? Quote
Mexicola Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 You do realise the same company back both records? Yeah SIMON won't get anything out of RATM, but Sony, who back both records, gets the proceeds of BOTH sides, so all this is doing is give extra money to Sony. Clap, clap, ragers. Now how abouts you support a genuinely independant artist with a better Christmas song than either X Factor or RATM has ever come up with and get Tim Minchin's song up there? I think all 'ragers' are aware of the Sony thing. That is not the point though. It's about the song and the number one spot. Tom Morello of RATM is donating his proceeds from this to charity, and the people supporting RATM have raised around Quote
Nollaig Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 I think all 'ragers' are aware of the Sony thing. That is not the point though. It's about the song and the number one spot. Tom Morello of RATM is donating his proceeds from this to charity, and the people supporting RATM have raised around Quote
Mexicola Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 Tim's is for charity too. And I know he can't get to number one, and that being in the top twenty won't make a statement. Unlike the ragers and x-factor-ers (?) the whole point of Tim's campaign is basically to get him in the top twenty because *we* feel he deserves to be there - not to beat anyone else or to make a statement. That's pretty much just me and my wishful thinking. I don't really see how Killing In The Name Of getting to number 1 will make a statement either. I don't see the point. It's not a Christmas song. It has no more place being number 1 at Christmas than an X factor song. The only point I can see, is like Tom said, an attempt to get back at the machine, but as you've just said, everyone is aware that's not what's happening. So what's the point? I don't think The Climb is a Christmas song, and without this competition from RATM, it would just be a sure thing that it would get straight to number one. There is no competition anymore. I think many people would agree that The Climb is not a strong song, and in normal circumstances, it would not reach the top spot. Believe it or not, people do like Killing in the Name and it's fun to dabble in a bit of light 'rebellion' (for want of a better word). I agree that Tim does deserve some recognition, but that is somewhat of a separate issue Quote
Nollaig Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 Killing In The Name Of is a superb song. Still an utterly stupid choice for a 'rebellion' about Christmas no. 1s. Competiton - fair reason, I can go with that. Stupid song choice. Quote
Mexicola Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 Killing In The Name Of is a superb song. Still an utterly stupid choice for a 'rebellion' about Christmas no. 1s. Competiton - fair reason, I can go with that. Stupid song choice. Ok, well the choice of song probably could have been better, I agree. At the end of the week, number one or not, the whole episode has still raised some good points and raised over Quote
Nollaig Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 Oh yeah at least all good things have literally come out of it. The money for charities is fantastic. 2004: Band Aid 20 got no. 1 with "Do They Know It's Christmas?" 1990: Cliff Richard - Saviour's Day. Other than that, it's all songs which became Chrismassy by virtue of being no. 1. I Have A Dream/Seasons In The Sun - Westlife, Stay Another Day - East 17, 2 Become 1 - Spice Girls, Mad World - Michael Andrews & Gary Jules. etc. Quote
Mexicola Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 Oh yeah at least all good things have literally come out of it. The money for charities is fantastic. 2004: Band Aid 20 got no. 1 with "Do They Know It's Christmas?" 1990: Cliff Richard - Saviour's Day. Other than that, it's all songs which became Chrismassy by virtue of being no. 1. I Have A Dream/Seasons In The Sun - Westlife, Stay Another Day - East 17, 2 Become 1 - Spice Girls, Mad World - Michael Andrews & Gary Jules. etc. Yeah, not many. It's not like it was in the 70s and 80s is it? They were churning them out! Sound of the Underground was a weird one in 2002. I've downloaded Tim Minchin's, by the way. It is quite a lovely song. (Sorry, off topic). Quote
Nollaig Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) We were actually totally off topic anyway, the Christmas No. 1 debate is totally different to the X Factor SHOW. So, shiny new thread. 70's and 80's were the best for that sort of thing. Churning them out, but churning out quality tracks! There was always going to come a time when originality wasn't so easy, but to cash in on generic things is a bit sad really. Although, I loved the Darkness' Christmas single, 'Don't Let The Bells End' and think it would have made a great Christmas no. 1. Same goes for 'Christmas Is All Around' by Billy Mack () People just buy into the stranger options (Yay Tim! I think it's an incredibly beautiful song ) Edited December 17, 2009 by Nollaig Quote
Mexicola Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 I got confused then, thinking 'how on earth did I miss this entire thread?' only to become even more confused when seeing that I had actually posted in it Thanks for moving the off-topicness I liked The Darkness one too. Looks like RATM are still ahead in sales but the gap is closing pretty quickly. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/x-factor/6833183/Rage-Against-The-Machine-retain-lead-over-X-Factors-Joe-McElderry.html "The last big Christmas battle anywhere near this scale was the Spice Girls' Goodbye and South Park character Chef's Chocolate Salty Balls in 1998. The Spice Girls won with 380,000 to the rival's 375,000." I didn't realise that South Park song had rivalled Christmas number one! Quote
Nollaig Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 Neither did I. I was only 11 years old and mum wouldn't let me listen to it Quote
Mexicola Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 I remember not even really knowing what South Park was but pretending I did because all the cool kids liked it Quote
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