Torchwood 2

[wiccibat]

Just watching James Marsters doing a bad boy with an Adam Ant look going on.
What could be better? Jack Harkness and Spike, yum!

[burghead lass]

I am taping it so I can snuggle down in bed the the boys especially captain Jack

[Michelle]

I'm about half way through (using SKY+) - Oh my god, Jack has gone all sexy again! :D (He kinda lost 'it' towards the end of Dr Who.)

[Kell]

Just watching James Marsters doing a bad boy with an Adam Ant look going on.
What could be better? Jack Harkness and Spike, yum!
Cpt Jack, Spike AND Adam Ant???

I can't believe I missed it! I shall have to get hold of the new episodes very shortly and get all caught up...

[Pierced Musie]

I was personally hoping for some Jack/Ianto/Spike lovin'. But that is the hardcore Ianto/Jack fangirl in me:mrgreen:.

[Mia]

Always a pleasure to see James Marsters, even if his character was just Spike with dark hair! (Not a bad thing, actually.)

In fact, he was the best thing about the episode, as the others were acting in their usual stupid ways. :roll:

The trailer after the episode - did that show the whole series? Cos it looks like "Spike" will be returning. :D

[Michelle]

Well I'm in a huge minorty, because I didn't find James Marsters at all sexy (although my mum did! lol).

As for the actual series, I just sit back and enjoy it, without studying it too hard.. kinda like Dr Who.

Mind you, I think I must miss some of the 'story', from studying Jack so hard!! :lol:

[scottishbookworm]

Just watching James Marsters doing a bad boy with an Adam Ant look going on.
What could be better? Jack Harkness and Spike, yum!that was good

[O's]

Good episode.

Just a question though, why is everyone gay? Not a bad thing if thats your game, its just a tad unusual.

[Kell]

I don't think it's that they're all gay, I think it's more that (if I can quote slightly incorrectly from season one) that they'll go for anyone, male or female, if they're hot? I know it was mentioned during the Dr Who behind-the-scenes stuff that in jack's case, he's from a future where people tend to go for people not men or women. I kinda like that they're redressing the balance a bit. I have a LOT of gay friends who feel that they're under-represented in the media (although I have just as many who don't feel one way or another about it at all). Relationships on TV are predominantly (not all - it's changing a bit now to make for steamy plotlines in various soaps) traditional male/female couples. Now that it's become generally accepted to be open about your sexuality, it's changing bit by bit.

[O's]

Its not that, its the fact that toshiko has had a fling with a woman(alien?) and Ianto had a long term relaitionship with a female toaster.

Its all a bit odd, its not the fact that they are involved in a same sex relationship - its the fact that they all swap back and forth. Jack excluded as he's from the future(tm).

I dont see this as promoting equal rights amongst different sexualities, I dont think this even came into the equation. Its shock value. If they wanted to do that then they would have a same sex monogonous couple who lived in harmony.

Instead we get a group of people who jump accross the fence when it pleases them (ooo err misses).

Except jack.

He's from the Future(tm).

[Mia]

I agree that Torchwood goes for shock value, especially in series 1. They promised an "adult Dr Who", and decided that the way to achieve it was to include numerous sex scenes and random gratuitous swearing. Adult TV was thus achieved! :roll: I've read that the gratuitous sex/swearing will be toned down this series. Neither bothers me, btw, it's just that when it does nothing to further plot or character development, and is simply thrown in for the shock value, well that's when it annoys me.

If you feel like living dangerously, pop over to the SFX forum and utter the magic words "Russell T Davies has a gay agenda". Then stand well back and watch the furore. :mrgreen:

[miss_m_c_r]

Loving the start to the new series, excuse me have you seen a blow fish driving a sports car! :lol:

[kitty_kitty]

Just watching James Marsters doing a bad boy with an Adam Ant look going on.
What could be better? Jack Harkness and Spike, yum!

I sent OH so i could enjoy them both with a nice glass of wine Bliss!!

[scottishbookworm]

Loving the start to the new series, excuse me have you seen a blow fish driving a sports car! :lol:that was funny yeah!:lol::lol:


:10_confused:what exactly was Jack doing to that poor woman that he put in prison?

[Mia]

Er, do you mean the bit where she had the metal contraption on her head? They were doing a risky "mind probe" as Jack was convinced she was an alien, and was managing to hide it. The mind probe would reveal this (which it did), provided her head didn't explode first (eww!).

Did anyone watch the Torchwood Declassified thing last night? It was quite an interesting 10-minute look behind the scenes. When Jack fell from the building last week, I never thought of the poor stunt guy having to be lowered on a crane! He deserves a medal. There were lots of nice bits with James Marsters chatting, too. However, the spoiler-shy should beware, as it did show quite a few scenes from future episodes, including "Jim Robinson from Neighbours" as an apparently evil doctor!! :mrgreen:

[Michelle]

I was disappointed with last night's episode, it seemed rather weak.

[wiccibat]

I agree with you there Michelle, for the first time ever, I got bored and wandered into the kitchen to tidy up. I decided I could peek round if it sounded more interesting!

[Michelle]

Well, I managed to do ironing, and talk to someone on AIM at the same time.. but I didn't want to wander too far, because I love watching Jack so! :lol: Mind you, isn't he getting a bit bossy.. and harsh!?

[Mia]

Hasn't he always been like that? ;)

[Michelle]

Bossy maybe (which I kinda like ;)).. but he seemed a little harsher.

[miss_m_c_r]

I am watching the second episode on my computer now.
The starts are very good.

I like it when the burglars walk in the room and they are the ones screaming sorry.

It's not as funny as the first episode, which is a shame. :)

[Mia]

Ah, the reduced humour would probably be down to a lack of James Marsters. Did you ever watch him as Spike in Buffy/Angel? Absolutely hilarious. :mrgreen:

I suppose the subject matter in the second episode didn't exactly lend itself to humour either. I felt really sorry for the woman. :(

[miss_m_c_r]

Ah, the reduced humour would probably be down to a lack of James Marsters. Did you ever watch him as Spike in Buffy/Angel? Absolutely hilarious. :mrgreen:

No i didn't watch him in Buffy, wihs I had though :blush:
I suppose the subject matter in the second episode didn't exactly lend itself to humour either. I felt really sorry for the woman. :(


Mmmm....... She was really strange anyway I thought, even as a human!:lol:

[O's]

I liked the bed side manner comment, made me giggle.

[Mia]

I thought last night's episode, "Adam", was quite good. It started off a bit dull but got better. It was a neat reversal to have Owen infatuated with Tosh, instead of the other way round as normal! I also liked the bit near the beginning, where Gwen didn't recognise Rhys, and the insight into Jack's childhood.

I still have a problem with the character of Ianto, though. I thought his role in Torchwood was supposed to be security and that he was basically a ruthless killer when necessary, yet when he sussed out Adam he didn't do anything, and merely waited for Adam to attack him. It seems that his role is merely to be Jack's toyboy, waiting around to have his hair ruffled and being otherwise useless. :confused:

[Michelle]

Overall I really liked it.. the bit I found funny was when Jack was being all god-like, when they were searching for their memories - how without him, they'd be nothing. Arrogant little thing! lol

IIt seems that his role is merely to be Jack's toyboy, waiting around to have his hair ruffled and being otherwise useless. :confused:

And what's wrong with that?! :lol:

[Laramie]

woo torchwood rocks!!
I saw the first one, have taped the second but not yet got round to watching it, totally missed the third, saw a bit of the fourth (pre-watershed), all of the fifth and sixth (proper version) and then the pre-watershed version of 5 again today.
I love them all :mrgreen:

[Mia]

And what's wrong with that?! :lol:

Fair enough! :mrgreen:

[OnyxAngel]

I absolutely love the series so far!
My favourite episode is either kiss kiss bang bang or to the last man (Jack/Ianto guilty pleasure :lol:)

Not sure if anyone saw Reset (episode 6) after Adam on bbc 3 but I can tell you one thing it has a very unexpected ending

[Laramie]

Ooh, I saw it! It was wicked!!

Do NOT view this spoiler unless you have watched episode 6, Reset. The one with Martha in (I know that's kind of a spoiler, but it was on the advert)

Can't believe Owen died! I was watching it like, "no, he can't die, he can't die...
No, wait...he CAN'T die. They have to find a way around it!!

[Admin Edit: That is a BIG spoiler, so don't look if you've not seen!! Michelle]

[Michelle]

I watched Reset last night, then went straight to BBC3 to watch the next episode, and I thought they were both pretty good.

The ending of Reset was excellent, even though I knew it was coming (I'd stupidly peeked at the above spoiler!) - I actually had tears in my eyes! It was great to see Martha again, although she did seem a little too confident.

Next episode: Unfortunately I lost 10 minutes of this whilst taking a phone call, and I believe there was a bit of a jump in the script. Apart from this, I really loved it.. Owen was creepy, and it looks like next week's epiode is going to be good.

The only problem is, Beth watched Reset, but I now think that it's getting a little too much for a 9 year old (she's quite sensitive) - I'm going to have to watch the Thursday episode next week, to see what they cut out.

How did others find either episode? (Please spoiler anything about the BBC3 episodes, in case some aren't watching.)

[Mia]

I was surprised by the ending of Reset, but I felt absolutely nothing, which just goes to show that I've never really bonded emotionally with any of the Torchwood characters. (Compare this to when Buffy had to kill Angel, when I sobbed my heart out!) I just kind of thought, "Oh well, whatever".

It was nice to see Martha again, I always liked her character.

[Laramie]

Ooh, did anybody watch episode 7? It was so cool! Can't wait for next week!

heehee, my mum told me they killed Owen "before" I'd watched it. In actual fact, I'd watched it twice; once on BBC3 and once on the Wednesday XD:lol: So I had to pretend she'd spoilt it XD XD

[Michelle]

My comments on episode 7 are in the spoiler tag, DWMG.

[miss_m_c_r]

i heard that, in the next one martha is turned into a 80 year old woman is it true?

[OnyxAngel]

Ooh, did anybody watch episode 7? It was so cool! Can't wait for next week!

heehee, my mum told me they killed Owen "before" I'd watched it. In actual fact, I'd watched it twice; once on BBC3 and once on the Wednesday XD:lol: So I had to pretend she'd spoilt it XD XD

I saw it!
It was so creepy.
Spoilers (Don't read if you haven't seen episode 7 Dead man walking): OMG Owen was so freaky!! His eyes were like the host on Dr Who (Tooth and claw) . Aww but he was so nice saving everyone.
It was so obvious he had a connection with the weevils when he got bit by one in episode 11 series 1 Combat.
That glove was so obviously the evil one of the two it was so much darker and the fingers were like claws!

Ok that was long :lol:

Sorry about that

[Laramie]

What??!!! I never saw that one! I wasn't allowed to watch it last year.

[OnyxAngel]

Oh ok.

Combat was quite creepy and it was definately more of a male episode lol

[Laramie]

omg I watched it last night on bbc3 and it was so cool but I missed the first few minutes but it was still wicked!!!!!

[OnyxAngel]

It was ok but I found it quite slow compared to Dead Man Walking.

Next week's looks fantastic!
I read about it in the Torchwood magazine.

It's Rhys and Gwen's wedding. Gwen's pregnant with an alien baby :lol: which the mother is coming to find her and rip her to pieces. Rhys is so annoyed at Jack for runing his wedding and as far as I can remember punches him.

[Mia]

Hmm. It was OK, I suppose. As someone pointed out, why were they about to do an autopsy when he got shot in front everyone? The cause of death was hardly a mystery, was it?

[OnyxAngel]

:lol: Good point.

I think it's just they're always meant to do an autopsy or something.
Oh well

[Laramie]

Hmm. It was OK, I suppose. As someone pointed out, why were they about to do an autopsy when he got shot in front everyone? The cause of death was hardly a mystery, was it?
I wondered that!

[Mia]

It was probably so Jack could burst in dramatically and heroically and shout at them to stop. ;)

[OnyxAngel]

It was probably so Jack could burst in dramatically and heroically and shout at them to stop. ;)

:lol: yeah.

[Laramie]

omg love that last one to be on bbc3. dunno how much i can say, but it was ace!

[Michelle]

Because not many people seem to watch the BBC3 one, please put anything in spoiler tags. I actually decided that it looked pretty horrible from the trailer.. would you say it was scary?

[Mia]

Last night's (BBC2) episode was so dull I nearly nodded off. OK, so being dead/undead/whatever sucks, but I got that in the first 10 minutes. Did they have to labour the point for the next 40 as well?

I'm sorry, I'm not usually so callous (honestly!), but I just can't bring myself to care too much about Owen's character.

I thought the best bit (which I saw coming), was his frustration when he went to perform mouth-to-mouth on Richard Briers and couldn't save him because he didn't have any breath. That part was moving. So was the bit about the girl's husband being killed just after the wedding. The rest (about Owen) was just boring.

And I thought Jack was particularly callous when Owen, in the depths of despair, ran into the water to try and kill himself and Jack merely timed how long he was down there! (And what is it with this guy and stopwatches?!)

Torchwood had better improve, because I really want to like it but I'm just finding it so dull. :(

[O's]

If hes talking why cant he do mouth to mouth?

[Michelle]

To be honest Mia, I'm not sure why you bother ;).. you haven't enjoyed it since the beginning!

[Michelle]

If hes talking why cant he do mouth to mouth?

He's got no circulation, and yet he's a healthy pink colour! I really think to enjoy alot of Dr Who and Torchwood, you just need to relax and watch, instead of analysing.

[O's]

Oh I know that, been watching dr who since I was toderling, they made a huge point of him not breathing but overlooked the bog fact that he was talking.

A tad lazy. :)

[OnyxAngel]

Last night's (BBC2) episode was so dull I nearly nodded off. OK, so being dead/undead/whatever sucks, but I got that in the first 10 minutes. Did they have to labour the point for the next 40 as well?

I'm sorry, I'm not usually so callous (honestly!), but I just can't bring myself to care too much about Owen's character.

I thought the best bit (which I saw coming), was his frustration when he went to perform mouth-to-mouth on Richard Briers and couldn't save him because he didn't have any breath. That part was moving. So was the bit about the girl's husband being killed just after the wedding. The rest (about Owen) was just boring.

And I thought Jack was particularly callous when Owen, in the depths of despair, ran into the water to try and kill himself and Jack merely timed how long he was down there! (And what is it with this guy and stopwatches?!)

Torchwood had better improve, because I really want to like it but I'm just finding it so dull. :(

I have to agree I found it dull when I saw it last week.

I like Owen but the episode was just really slow compared to Dead Man Walking.

It's Ianto that likes stopwatches not Jack. (I bet he stole Ianto's :lol:)

To answer your question Michelle I wouldn't say episode 9 is scary to be honest it I found it quite funny.
There's some great Jack/Ianto moments too :D

[burghead lass]

:lol: maybe I should watch last night episode as now I know that it was not up to much :lol:

[Mia]

To be honest Mia, I'm not sure why you bother ;).. you haven't enjoyed it since the beginning!

I'm asking myself the same question! I just live in hope that it's going to improve, I think.

Although actually, I really enjoyed the first episode, so you're wrong! :tong: ;) There have been some episodes I've liked, and some which have been okay. I don't hate Torchwood, I just think that overall, it hasn't lived up to my expectations/the hype.

I have had problems with the characters - I just can't seem to emotionally connect to most of them, which I don't know is me or a fault of the writing. I'd go for the way they're written, as I don't have a problem connecting with characters in Dr Who or other shows I've watched (Buffy, Angel etc.). The only one I slightly care about is Gwen (and maybe Tosh). Jack seems to be a different character to the one he was in Dr Who. As for Ianto and Owen, I don't much care about them. Even Martha is not as likeable in this as she was in Dr Who.

Oh well. I will keep watching - and keep moaning, most probably! Sorry! :mrgreen:

[Michelle]

I agree that Jack is different.. but I actually prefer his Torchwood character. Well, to be honest, I liked his character best in the first series, as it was pretty dark. He's now resolved his issues with The Doctor, and yet he's not back to his early Doctor Who days, which is what you'd expect. Maybe he holds back a little because he's 'the boss'?

Did any of that actually make any sense?! LOL

[Mia]

Makes perfect sense!

I think I prefer him as the happy, devil-may-care, Jack the lad (is that a pun?) type he was in Doctor Who, rather than the darker Jack.

I think you're right about him being more reserved emotionally as he's the boss. I'm just glad he's not my boss!

[OnyxAngel]

I'd love him to be my boss :lol:

I'd love to work with all the Torchwood team except Gwen (she annoys me)

[Mia]

Michelle, I hope you're sitting down, because...

I actually enjoyed the last episode!! :thud:

It was the Gwen's wedding one, and I found it very entertaining! Daft, mind you, but entertaining. :mrgreen:

[Michelle]

Wow! :lol: The 'proper' version didn't record, so hopefully Sky+ caught the kiddies version! I may go watch a little before bed.

[Laramie]

Storylines: most are good.
Concepts: some are good, others need some work (such as Owen not being able to breathe).
Characters: sometimes are good, but seem a little...indecisive. They all seem to have multiple-personality disorders. They get on my nerves cuz they're all so grumpy and they're not a proper team.
Relationships: the fact that they all fancy each other is annoying and stupid.
Humour: please decide before an episode if it is going to funny or not. They seem to change their mind and it's stupid because it comes out as just looking tacky and as thought they weren't very well thought through.
Monsters/villains: not bad. Most are plausible sci-fi creations.
Fear factor: good and high.
Goryness: blood and guts everywhere *twisted smile*
How big and important it feels/morals: not very, to be quite honest. And it has pretty much zero morals.

Now to compare it to Dr Who. I will do the Sarah-Jane Adventures in a minute too.

Storylines: good. You can get caught up in them very easily and most are plausible. One or two have a bit of a loophole.
Concepts: great. In Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords, the Utopia concept and the notion that we might all come back in little spheres to murder our ancestors is amazing.
Characters: ace. The Doctor especially is a fantasic character; you can see how his experiences made him the way he is, and at the same time he is very alien. Pretty much all "major" supporting characters seem to be well-rounded folk. You think "why the :censored: did he do that?"
Relationships: The Dr/Rose one was well done, and I quite liked the Dr/Martha one (it was spot-on that she left when and how she did - it fits in with her character), though it would be nice to meet a female character that doesn't fancy the Dr.
Humour: love it! Loadsa jokes, loadsa laughing at the Dr being a prune (idiot). Relieves the tension a little sometimes.
Monsters/villains: awesome! gruesome, evil, slimy, misunderstood, weird beasts they all are!
Fear factor: some are really scary, such as Blink, some are...involving, but not exactly scary.
Goryness: a little a not that bad. Just enough to make you go "EEWWW!!"
How big/important it feels/morals: feels VERY big. Everything is city-wide, or planet-wide, even 2 whole universes-wide in the case of the parellel universe episodes.

And, finally, to finally confirm the notion that I have no life, here is the Sarah Jane Adventures.

Storylines: most are great...can't really think of one that didn't quite work
Concepts: that ethereal ghost-like woman was amazing. I liked "Whatever Happened To Sarah Jane" because of the paradox element. That switching off the sun thing, and getting all the energy from everywhere around, was fun but shaky at best.
Characters: very stereotyped for the most part, but not bad. Sarah Jane seems quite good. Some of the acting from the supporting cast is diabolical, but the main 4 (Sarah, Maria, Luke and Clyde) are good. Luke has one or two shaky moments, but it just seems to fit in with his character. (although Maria's actress is 16 and Clyde's 22, so you'd expect them to be good lol)
Relationships: they're a good team. I like how all of them are just normal people.
Humour: just the right amount for how they put it across. It's not a comedy, but has many little one-liners that make you smile if not actually laugh.
Monsters/villians: great. Though I was a little disappointed with the over-use of the Slitheen, however clever it was. Perhaps they should have had them further apart, like in consecutive series
Fear factor: not scary so much as exciting - though it did scare my mum :roll: But she's just a wimp :lol:
Goryness: zero. though that bane was pretty manky
How big/important it feels/morals: big, but in a different way. Can't really explain it. Wasn't keen on the one where the meteor was crashing down to earth; I think it could have done with being a bit longer and having a bit more backstory. Chock-a-block with morals, but they're not shoved in your face.

Verdict: Torchwood - 8/10. Exciting, gory and sometimes disturbing, but I wouldn't be particularly upset if I missed one, or they stopped making it TBH.
Dr Who - 10/10. Funny, exciting, thrilling, invigorating...would die if they stopped making it, and if there was a chance I'd miss one I'd find a way to see it.
Sarah Jane Adventures - 9/10. Not quite as good as Dr Who, but I wouldn't like to miss an episode and would miss it if it was axed.

Does anybody know where I can find a life, cut-price?

[Mia]

A very interesting post, DWMG, and I think I agreed with nearly everything! :)

Regarding: it would be nice to have a female companion who doesn't fancy the Dr, I heard that Catherine Tate's character is going to fit that bill.

And if you find a life, you'd better get one for me too! ;)

[prospero]

Not fancy the Doctor? Wha...?

*dies of shock*

[Laramie]

A very interesting post, DWMG, and I think I agreed with nearly everything! :)

Regarding: it would be nice to have a female companion who doesn't fancy the Dr, I heard that Catherine Tate's character is going to fit that bill.

And if you find a life, you'd better get one for me too! ;)
don't be too sure. if you watch the trailers, they kiss and there's this bit where she holds his hand. although there is also a bit where she's talking to this ood and takes offence because he calls her miss, so it could be linked with that.

I haven't found a life. I just spent 10 minutes trying to name all the episodes of dr who for all 3 of the new series.
and came so close to succeeding it scared me. i probably would have been able to do it too, but i wanted to come on here lol
Not fancy the Doctor? Wha...?

*dies of shock*
XD I think everybody would!

[O's]

Looking to be a very good spooky episode tonnight.

[Mia]

Normal service is resumed - I was disappointed with last night's episode! :lol:

I was expecting great things, because it was written by PJ Hammond, writer of Sapphire and Steel. (If you're too young to have watched this TV programme, go out and buy the boxset immediately.)

Anyway, Hammond wrote a story for Sapphire and Steel which was about people being trapped inside or being brought out of old photographs, and it was incredibly creepy and scary (probably my favourite S&S story, actually). Hammond said in Torchwood Confidential (or whatever it's called) after the episode that he wanted to build on this idea but use film instead of photos. So I was expecting great things, i.e. an even creepier version of the S&S story, but it just didn't work somehow.

I can't quite put my finger on where the problem lay with this episode. Perhaps it was some of the acting? The pre-credits teaser was excellent, I thought, but then it didn't keep up the chills. Maybe my expectations were unrealistically high, with it being P J Hammond writing. :confused:

[O's]

The actual torchwood bits were a tad boring but the spooky parts were good. I like the open ended conclusion to the bad guy, like the glove from season one.

[~V~]

Mia, I tend to agree with you, it wasn't nearly as creepy as it should have been :(

And for those of you who aren't aware, or forgot, the next episode is on TOMORROW and not next week

[Mia]

Thanks for the reminder, ~V~! (I'm already confused about what day it is - being at home today has made me think it's Saturday.) :roll:

[prospero]

I heart The Barrowman. :D

[Mia]

Well, that was more like it. Friday's episode, involving the missing boy, was much better than usual.

It was emotional (my brother and myself were both sniffling by the end!) and compelling, with quite a clever premise. I liked Jack being shifty, Gwen refusing to give up and her and Rhys arguing. It was all so much more human than usual, and I think that improved it. Just because aliens are often involved, doesn't mean you can skimp on the human side of things if you want an episode you can relate to.

However, I would have thought that the subterranean, damp rooms could have been made a little more comfortable!

It was spoilt only by my :censored: video tape regularly jumping, as I had to tape it on Friday. So I don't know what Jack and Ianto's reaction was to being interrupted by Gwen - embarrassment? Amusement? Oh well, maybe someone can enlighten me...

[prospero]

Well, Mia - that was where I nearly had a heart attack BECAUSE...

Gwen ran out, kinda smirking, saying, "Sorry, sorry, I didn't realise, sorry..." Jack and Ianto went after her to apologise in turn, Ianto looked a bit embarrassed but then Jack said, "Fancy a threesome? We could use another person for naked hide and seek!" [cue heart attack] then Ianto put in, "He always cheats."

:lol:

[Michelle]

That was so funny - it was a fairly slow moving episode, then you suddenly had Jack and Ianto all naked and sweaty!

(How could she resist not going in there!? LOL)

[Lilywhite]

I just added in some spolier tags there.

There was a lot of information and it may be spoilt for someone who hasn't quite caught up yet.

Not meaning to be a 'spoil' sport ;)

[prospero]

It's probably for the best, given the...ahem...nature of said posts. ;)

[Mia]

Lol, yeah! I tried not to give too much away, but I guess some of it was a spoiler. :)

Prospero, thank you for enlightening me! :mrgreen: I couldn't believe it - naked Jack, and my video picks that moment to jump. :mad: Perhaps it got over-excited.

[~V~]

I just added in some spolier tags there.

There was a lot of information and it may be spoilt for someone who hasn't quite caught up yet.

Not meaning to be a 'spoil' sport ;)

Not sure about anybody else but if I haven't yet seen a TV programme when it's aired, then I avoid threads about it like the plague :)

It's a different matter if it's a downloaded show or similar I suppose

[O's]

I like to watch the one episode a week, I avoid spoilers but I do like to talk about the one aired on bbc2.

Not everyone watches the next one on bbc3.

[prospero]

Well they should! There's nothing to stop you watching it on BBC2 again the following week.

Me, I can't get enough of
Jack with his shirt off! :D

[~V~]

I like to watch the one episode a week, I avoid spoilers but I do like to talk about the one aired on bbc2.

Not everyone watches the next one on bbc3.

I meant the usual terrestrial pace, I'd class the BBC3 one as 'ahead of time'

[Lilywhite]

By using spoiler tags it means we don't exclude anyone from the conversation and they can comment on what they'e seen without feeling a spoiler might be just around the corner.

I don't like the idea of anyone avoiding threads in case someone might say something to ruin their enjoyment. This way, if you've seen it you can read it and if you haven't, you can run back and read it when you have.

[O's]

Well they should! There's nothing to stop you watching it on BBC2 again the following week.

Thats neither here nor there.

[prospero]

I think you'll find it's somewhere in between.

[~V~]

By using spoiler tags it means we don't exclude anyone from the conversation and they can comment on what they'e seen without feeling a spoiler might be just around the corner.

I don't like the idea of anyone avoiding threads in case someone might say something to ruin their enjoyment. This way, if you've seen it you can read it and if you haven't, you can run back and read it when you have.

It's ok, I'm a bit anal about spoilers. I even avoid writing any in my blog as I've had several books spoilt for me on here by people posting stuff in random threads, such is life I suppose.

[wiccibat]

Well I saw that episode twice this week, got all excited about seeing the next one last night and.....fell asleep!:irked:

[Laramie]

was away for the friday episode (the missing boy one), and didn't realise the repeat was on tuesday so missed the first half an hour. However, I watched it online and liked it :)

[miss_m_c_r]

Is it true that in the last episode captain Johns back again???

Could someone tell me please

[Mia]

Well, that was more like an episode! I really enjoyed that one.

It was very interesting finding out how the Torchwood team got together. I'll put the rest in spoilers just in case...

Jack's story was good. Those Torchwood women were right sadistic little :censored:s!

The two best stories for me were Tosh's and Owen's. First Tosh - I've always liked her, but she's always been a fairly one-dimensional character, ie the "techno geek". It was good to see another side to her and her devotion to her mother. I felt so sorry for her when she was stuck in that cell. Poor Tosh.

Owen's story made me look on his character much more kindly. I've never really liked him, but this really showed me why he is like he is. His devotion to his financee and his devastation at what happened to her was really touching. He has gone up in my estimation! It was also quite creepy when he woke up in hospital after Jack chloroformed him and everyone was denying what had happened, but he remembered and was trying to convince everyone he wasn't mad. (Incidentally, why was he not given that amnesia drug by Jack? Or was he, and it didn't work properly like with Gwen?)

The only poor story I thought was Ianto's. Owen and Tosh had proper motivation behind their reasons for joining Torchwood - Ianto just whined and pleaded for a job like a child nagging for sweets until Jack gave in. (And Jack only gave in because he fancied him.) Pathetic. :roll: It confirmed my already low opinion of him.

And then the trailer for next week's final episode! Spike, er I mean James Marsters, back! Hurrah!! Should be excellent. :mrgreen:

[Mia]

Last episode of the series tonight, and it looks like it'll be a good one! :)

[prospero]

Cap'n John would look waaaaay better with some Spike-style bleached hair again.

[Michelle]

Spoilered, just in case anyone hasn't caught up with the finale yet..

Well, I'm not going to get caught up thinking about the time travel/paradox stuff, and just say that I really enjoyed that finale. I particularly liked the fact that there was no huge alien monster etc.. just some twisted hatred, and some sad deaths!

[prospero]

This will shock you all, but I only watched it for the eye-candy.

[Mia]

****** typical. Just as I finally connected emotionally with the characters, they went and killed off two of the ones I liked. :roll:

That was a good episode, but depressing. It was good to see Spike (I mean Captain John) again, and even better to find out that he was being forced to do what he was doing, and not just doing it because he was evil (though I suppose he could have refused - but he wasn't noble enough to sacrifice himself!)

The bit where Jack was buried... Alright, he can't die, but nearly 2,000 years buried alive? Surely he would have gone insane? Just try and imagine being buried for that amount of time. *shudder*

As for poor old Tosh and Owen... I never really liked Owen until last week's episode, when it showed his backstory - then I warmed to him. His death was horrifying, but very well done, with the raging and then the acceptance.

Poor Tosh - I've always liked her character. When they were both dying and Owen was raging, and she told him to stop because he was breaking her heart... I was in tears (in fact I'm nearly in tears just typing this now!). Such wasted time, when they could have got together, but Owen only realised when it was too late. :(

I really do think Jack should have killed Gray, instead of freezing him. He's obviously gonna come back at some point in the future to wreak more havoc. And I did think Rhys would get killed, now he knows all about Torchwood. Why the hell couldn't Ianto have got killed instead? I can't stand him! Grr.

All in all, a very emotional episode, and well written, I thought. Torchwood certainly improved in the last few episodes.

[prospero]

Related to your point about Owen:

He moved from rage to acceptance far too quickly for it to be believable; sure, he only had seconds or minutes to go, but he seemed to take on the attitude, "Aye, okay, Tosh - I'll calm down just for you.":roll:

I've never liked him anyway, even knowing his backstory. To be honest I didn't give a stuff when he died - either time!

And would I be right in saying that he didn't know...
Tosh was dying as well, so he would have thought that she was going to live on, because she never told him she'd been hurt that badly?

[Mia]

Re Owen... I dunno, I thought he guessed (or at least strongly suspected) that something had happened to Tosh, because of her breathing and the long silences... Perhaps I am just crediting him with too much intelligence!

As for the acceptance, I thought he was a) trying not to upset Tosh (who blamed herself) because he did have some feelings for her (but realised too late) and b) realised that there was no point in raging as it couldn't change what was going to happen. But that's just my opinion!

Your opinion of Owen is like mine of Ianto!

[prospero]

I'm beginning to agree with you on him because:

Anyone who can pull Captain Jack is an enemy of mine!:irked:

[Mia]

Well exactly, another good reason to get rid of him! :mrgreen: But does that mean Spike is on your list of enemies too?

[prospero]

No, 'cause he's too good looking and he does an excellent English accent. In fact it's weird hearing him use his natural voice. I thought he was English!

[Mia]

Yep, he does an excellent English accent. I used to love hearing him on Buffy and Angel using English swear words that the Americans probably didn't have a clue about. Great stuff. :mrgreen:

[prospero]

Back when my dad had digital TV and I didn't, he'd say, "I'm going to watch Buffy now," and I'd call later that evening to ask, "Did Spike take his shirt off?"

It got to the point where I'd get as far as, "Did S-"

-"No he did not, now stop asking, 'cause I'm not gay and I'm not looking out for that sort of stuff!"

[Mia]

Lol at prospero! :lol:

[OnyxAngel]

I think the last episode was fantastic but so so sad.
It had me in tears. (Evil TW making me cry twice! :lol:) :cry2:

I think the saddest scene (apart from the dying ones) was when Owen was shouting and Tosh told him to stop because he was breaking her heart. That was what started the tears.

I have always liked Tosh and was really upset when Gray killed her. (Why couldn't Gwen die!?)
Owen on the other hand is a totally different story:
I liked him at the beginning of s1 then didn't like him near the end and then loved him in s2.

So not fair that when the 2nd best couple (1st being Jack/Ianto of course!) start getting closer it's too late

:icon_eek: Mia how can you hate Ianto? He's amazing!!! Sweet, kind and funny.(Hot too :lol:)
Plus him being with Jack is an added bonus in my opinion :D
Also originally it was going to be Ianto that Copley shot but Russell changed it because he was intrigued by a doctor doing his own autopsy.

[Mia]

I think the saddest scene (apart from the dying ones) was when Owen was shouting and Tosh told him to stop because he was breaking her heart. That was what started the tears.

Yep, that started me off too. :(

:icon_eek: Mia how can you hate Ianto? He's amazing!!! Sweet, kind and funny.(Hot too :lol:)
Also originally it was going to be Ianto that Copley shot but Russell changed it because he was intrigued by a doctor doing his own autopsy.

There is nothing I like about Ianto! I don't find him attractive, he is very annoying and whiny. Plus, what does he actually do apart from get it together with Jack? Russell should have stuck with the original plan! Sorry OnyxAngel! :mrgreen:

[Laramie]

Yeah, that bit about breaking her heart was so sad.

Talking of sad endings, I watched the end of series 2 of Dr Who the other day....and cried YET AGAIN! lol........But just ignore this cuz it's off topic :D

[OnyxAngel]

There is nothing I like about Ianto! I don't find him attractive, he is very annoying and whiny. Plus, what does he actually do apart from get it together with Jack? Russell should have stuck with the original plan! Sorry OnyxAngel! :mrgreen:

:eek2:

I actually find Gwen whiny and annoying

Agree to disagree?

[Mia]

OK then, you dislike Gwen and I'll dislike Ianto! :)

[OnyxAngel]

Ok :smile2:

[OnyxAngel]

Torchwood series 2 boxset comes on dvd in June
30th June to be precise :D

I am so getting it :lol:

[prospero]

Tosh = whiny, deserves a slap
Gwen = annoying; even the gap in her teeth makes me want to chin her
Ianto = becoming slightly more 'cuddly', but I still would
Owen = about as far from 'sex symbol' as I am from scoring Cap'n Jack's phone number
Jack = I heart him. I really, really, really, really, really do. I heart him so much I tingle in places I never even knew I had places. So there.

Anyone who disagrees with me is clearly a nutjob.

Thus, prospero has spoken. :mrgreen:

[Mia]

Tosh = whiny, deserves a slap

Sweet and kind. How could you be cruel to poor Tosh?

Gwen = annoying; even the gap in her teeth makes me want to chin her

Hmm, might have to agree with you here.

Ianto = becoming slightly more 'cuddly', but I still would

Eww. No no no no no.

Owen = about as far from 'sex symbol' as I am from scoring Cap'n Jack's phone number

Agreed.

Jack = I heart him. I really, really, really, really, really do. I heart him so much I tingle in places I never even knew I had places. So there.

Arrogant, conceited, heartless, cruel. Quite good looking (before he discovered botox).

Anyone who disagrees with me is clearly a nutjob.

Signed,

A. Nutjob. ;)

[prospero]

:lol:

Well, seeing as you played along with my game of 'pretend prospero is making sense and maybe she'll go away', I'll let you off with that, you nutter, you!;)

[OnyxAngel]

Tosh = whiny, deserves a slap
Gwen = annoying; even the gap in her teeth makes me want to chin her
Ianto = becoming slightly more 'cuddly', but I still would
Owen = about as far from 'sex symbol' as I am from scoring Cap'n Jack's phone number
Jack = I heart him. I really, really, really, really, really do. I heart him so much I tingle in places I never even knew I had places. So there

I think Tosh is great, sweet and kind.

I so agree about Gwen she should have been killed off.

Ianto, amazing, cute, funny and Jack's partner

Owen is obnoxious but hot and funny :lol:

Jack, one word: fantastic!

I must also be a nutjob :smile2::lol:

[Laramie]

Tosh: rocks.
Owen: gets on my nerves. What the hell does Tosh see in him? Feel sorry for him sometimes but he's just a bit nasty.
Jack: GO JACK!!!
Gwen: meh. She's okay. Sometimes.
Ianto: he rocks too.

[prospero]

Owen? Hot? He has no lips!

[Laramie]

Seconded!

[OnyxAngel]

So? :lol:
There's just something about him

By the way love the avatar DWMG

[Laramie]

heh thanks. It's about the guy I like :P I met up with him for the first time yesterday.

[O's]

Owen? Hot? He has no lips!

I bloomin' well do.

[OnyxAngel]

By the way I have some info on Torchwood series 3 some of you might know if you go on the official Torchwood site.

Next year the series is only 5 consecutive episodes in one week

Link >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchwood/sites/news/pages/production_news_40_seriesthree.shtml

[Laramie]

that sucks, it'll be over in a week now. I'm all for a long story, but can't they have a few of them spread throughout the year?