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Freewheeling Andy
3rd September 2007, 16:07
So much has been written about this book, I'm not sure that a new review is really needed. But then a lot of the stuff that's been written about The God Delusion is utterly misplaced.

A brief precis is that Dawkins, renowned UK Darwinist and atheist has written an atheist's handbook. Many people have read it as if he's trying to convert the religious.

But I think that's wrong. The book, as I read it, is more an effort to show that the proofs of god that are usually presented are deeply flawed; that the argument-from-design is, if anything, strong evidence that there isn't a god; that the arguments for religion (even if there is actually no god) are also deeply flawed.

The case is made strongly, and not in the usual slightly bolshy tone that Dawkins has when you hear him in debate on the radio. It's measured and sensible, and gives non-believers the tools they should need to survive the common attacks of the various religions who can't believe there are people who don't believe.

Only in Chapter 9, on the effects of bringing children up in a particular religion, does Dawkins beging to attack the behaviour of the religious. And he's on pretty strong ground, too.

I have a number of criticisms of his arguments - there's way too much of an obsession with Darwinism, I think; both in his suggestions of ways that science can offer the consolations removed by removing religion; and in his arguments for an evolutionary basis for religion - something that is not really necessary.

And occasionally the writing is a little self-aggrandising: there's a lot of talk of various eminent friends.

But this is a great book, and will hopefully begin to open up avenues for those who don't believe to admit that they don't believe. It is astonishing that in the UK we've never had an atheist prime-minister. It's even more astonishing that there is only one member of the 600-odd strong US senate who claims not to believe. The God Delusion is one step of many to making lack-of-belief as acceptable as belief in the eyes of the public.

A word of caution - it's probably not going to be happy reading for the religious, particularly those strongly Christian, where Dawkins has a fun attack on various bits of Old Testament nonsense. But the book isn't really aimed at you. The details of the old Testament stuff are also irrelevent to the broad argument being made - that people pick and choose bits of morality they want from Bible or Koran, and therefore morality even from religious texts is still relative and not absolute.

supergran71
3rd September 2007, 16:40
Thank you for that Andy. I have started to read this book and have realised that its not a book to pick up and put down without being sure that you know where you got to the last time you picked it up. Phew!!! The reason I started to read it was because I wanted to know what he had to say about the subject and to see how much of it I would agree with . I havent got very far yet, just half way through Chapter 2.

happyanddandy
3rd September 2007, 17:07
Great review Andy.

This is on my TBR list, well to be borrowed list from the one above ASAP :mrgreen:

Freewheeling Andy
3rd September 2007, 17:11
I think it's a fairly concerted read, and the arguments tend to carry on from each other, so yes, it's probably not a pick-up put-down kind of book. I was reading it on my holidays, though, so it went past quickly.

nicnic
3rd September 2007, 17:51
I really want to read this. I don't need anything to confirm my absolute atheism but I have heard it is a good read. However, I have heard that it is a bit sort of self-aggrandised as you mentioned.

ii
3rd September 2007, 18:37
As someone who a) was brought up Catholic, and b) believes in the evolution, I'm very much looking forward to this book. I just wish I'd find some evening free of everything else...

angerball
3rd September 2007, 19:18
I have started to read this book and have realised that its not a book to pick up and put down without being sure that you know where you got to the last time you picked it up.

Too right, Supergran71. I did this, and ended up having to put it to one side because I kept losing track. I will pick it up again some time though.

Great review, Andy. :)

Freewheeling Andy
4th September 2007, 07:44
For those interested, I'd forgotten there was an earlier review and discussion here

http://www.bookclubforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1887

which shows how my opinion has shifted after actually reading the book.