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Anonymous
19th May 2006, 13:05
Kurt Vonnegut’s Slaughterhouse 5 is seen as his best work and a modern classic although, having completed it, I’m left wondering why. Blending science fiction with his memoirs Vonnegut has created a meta-fictional novel where time travel is a primary plot device; one that allows him the freedom to dismiss chronology in the telling of his tale.

Billy Pilgrim is a war veteran, having been a prisoner of war in a converted abattoir in Dresden. Years after the war he is involved in a plane crash which causes him to become “unstuck in time”; a strange condition that allows him to travel to any point in his life, or even to the planet Tralfamadore where the aliens that live there view life as a single representation of every moment. Through his frequent travels in time, Billy Pilgrim gets to relive many points of his life such as Dresden, his marriage, and even his death; all of these combine to show Billy’s attempt at making sense of the world, his fatalist conclusions permeating the novel.

The story of Billy Pilgrim doesn’t start until the second chapter, the first, instead, being the author’s apology for the novel’s mess (although he states you can’t make sense of a massacre) and how, in his mind, the book came to be. The prose is minimalist and repetitive. Phrases appear regularly or statements reappear reworded. The use of “so it goes” whenever something dies, be it a person or bubbles in champagne, is understandable, however, in its need to demonstrate death as something routine and cheap, it does become grating.

There are many characters in Slaughterhouse 5 although I don’t feel that any of them were given much depth. People appear for a paragraph and then Billy Pilgrim is off on his travels before you have a chance to get to know them. Even Billy failed to hold my attention, possibly because we fail to really get to know him. The author spends time telling us about him rather than showing him doing anything which, I feel, cheapens the experience. His condition, that of being “unstuck in time”, leaves a nice ambiguity about the novel although it’s highly probable that his travelling is a delusional passage between memories brought on by the trauma of witnessing the bombing of Dresden.

Maybe the book is a product of its time or maybe there’s something I’m missing but Slaughterhouse 5 is not a novel I’d recommend. Having no experience of Vonnegut’s other work I can’t say whether this book, being part memoir, is a typical example of his canon. While the novel is understandably a mess, I can’t help but feel that the prose and characterisation are lacking and what, on paper, sounds like a great idea has been put through a literary slaughterhouse. So it goes.

Freewheeling Andy
22nd May 2006, 17:37
Ah. It's a great book. Although his best is Cats Cradle, and if you want a better anti war satire, you're almost certainly better off with Catch-22.

I'm not sure a book like Slaughterhouse 5, which is all about the ideas and the concept of death and how life becomes trivialised really wants to build the characters too far.

knitnurse
29th May 2006, 19:57
When I joined BCUK some people offered to send me books and I plumped for this one as I had heard good things about it .... so I'll come back when I've finished it :)

Philip Stein
9th June 2006, 08:54
Stewart: don't be put off reading more Vonnegut by one bad experience. His books are extraordinarily variable in quality, and his later ones in particular are weak. Having said that, Slaughterhouse-5 is earlyish (1969) and as you say, is his most widely acclaimed and known book. Nonetheless I couldn't get on with it either. I would recommend The Sirens of Titan, Player Piano (if you can find it: his first novel), Mother Night or - at a push - Cat's Cradle. He also does sentimentality very well, particularly in mid-late stuff like Slapstick, Breakfast of Champions and Timequake. Avoid the likes of Deadeye Dick, Jailbird or Hocus Pocus unless you're a completist.

knitnurse
9th June 2006, 11:50
I finished it yesterday and I absolutely LOVED it. I am not good at reviews so will leave it there, but it moved me.

cda
20th June 2006, 16:57
I finished it yesterday and I absolutely LOVED it. I am not good at reviews so will leave it there, but it moved me.

Why did it move you? In what way?

Philip Stein
20th June 2006, 17:20
Yes, we need to know! I say that as a Vonnegut fan who hates Slaughterhouse-Five, so I need reasons to like it!

knitnurse
20th June 2006, 19:14
Ooh, this is hard for me. I am not good with words.

Right. I am interested in quantum physics and the whole idea of time and in this book the aliens see time in a completely different way. We are like people standing in the Grand Canyon with tin helmets on which are obscuring our view, only looking one way and not seeing the whole picture. The aliens can see the whole of the canyon, up, down, front and back, side to side. They see the whole picture. In the same way, they do not focus on death as it is one moment from a life. They say why focus on that small bit, when we should see the whole picture. It's that suggestion that all of time is happening 'at once' and not in a linear way as we perceive it.

“When a Tralfamadorian sees a corpse, all he thinks is that the dead person is in a bad condition in that particular moment, but that the same person is just fine in plenty of other moments. Now, when I myself hear that somebody is dead, I simply shrug and say what the Tralfamadorians say about dead people, which is ‘So it goes’.”

There was a line that actually made me cry. I am reading a lot of books about Taoism, as to me it is such a sensible way to live. Not fighting things but moving 'with' things, like water. This line:

“Everything is all right,” insists Billy, “everybody has to do exactly what he does.” It really got to me. I probably have to admit to being a bit of an emotional old woman but I find that very comforting.

The description of the firebombing of Dresden was of course extremely moving. And the fact that Vonnegut knew that writing an anti-war book was about as useful as writing an 'anti-glacier' book. Futile. We are what we are.

That's the best I can do :shock:

Philip Stein
20th June 2006, 19:17
That's good enough for me, knitnurse. Thanks!

knitnurse
20th June 2006, 19:22
I hate talking to clever folk - I get frightened :D

Kell
20th June 2006, 20:32
No need to, Knitnurse - you did just fine there & who's to say anyone's any cleverer than you anyway?;)

knitnurse
21st June 2006, 08:24
Thanks Kell.

When I had my daughter I felt as if my brain kind of shrivelled, but that could be an excuse :?

I need to start using it again - exercising it has to help :)

Kell
21st June 2006, 12:43
They do say that your brain shrinks when you're pregnant. My colleague has been joking that the baby is sooking out her brains through the umbilical chord - LOL!

Michelle
21st June 2006, 13:12
Well, I've had 2 little ones, so I have a good excuse! Playing with a toddler all day, making animal noises and the such, must have an effect on me too!

BlueMoon
21st June 2006, 15:46
I've been meaning to read Slaughterhouse 5 for a while now, but haven't yet found a copy in the local library. I did think that Timequake was quite well done indeed.

knitnurse
21st June 2006, 19:44
BlueMoon I would have sent it to you but I have already sent it to somebody else who was interested.

I know that it feels that the baby is having every last spare bit of everything you have to offer :) Now that mine is nearly 10 .... do you think my grey matter should have regenerated? :mrgreen:

magdadh
6th September 2006, 09:53
Ah. It's a great book. Although his best is Cats Cradle, and if you want a better anti war satire, you're almost certainly better off with Catch-22.

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I couldn't agree more!!!!!

Cat's Cradle used to be in my personal top 5 in my late teens/early 20's; and the Slaughterhouse 5 in my top 10 (if it makes sense). My favourite Vonnegut was actually God Bless You, Mr Rosewater.

Now at 35, I am too scared of disappointing myself to read any of his again as I suspect his violently sentimentalist streak might be just too much.

Raven
29th September 2008, 22:39
. . . and if you want a better anti war satire, you're almost certainly better off with Catch-22.

I'd agree with that.

Major Major Major Major . . . Brilliant stuff!

Kylie
30th September 2008, 12:21
Major Major Major Major . . . Brilliant stuff!

:lol: I love that. I was explaining that name to someone at work recently. What a terrific book - one of my faves. I must get around to re-reading it soon!