Athena Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Then again, I am often accused of being a Grammar Nazi.Me too a bit. I don't like it when language has errors, such as the "could care less" and "I could of done" mentioned in this topic. I prefer it when there are no errors in language used. Especially in books this bothers me. I mean, if it's in a forum post people can make mistakes. But a book is checked by a hopefully proper editor and all that (if not self published, at least. If an ebook is self-published and contains a lot of errors I'd abandon it). I try to not make too many errors in my language use, English is my second language but even in typing English I don't make more mistakes than many British or American people, in my opinion. Sometimes when my boyfriend makes a post or something, I correct it. His education was not good (btw, he's British and I'm not), so he can't really help it. I know the way he usually misspells certain words, it doesn't bother me too much with him, it's kind of cute though if I can help it I'll tell him the correct spelling XD. I have an eidetic memory so if language is misused or such it really bothers me. As a child, I often spotted language errors in Dutch children's books. Another thing, when people use both British and American English in one (blog)post/presentation/book/website, it annoys me (ie. sometimes they say 'colour' and sometimes 'color'). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drislane Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) As opposed to anything on a page, I am possessed with the deepest desire to ram something unpleasant, somewhere unpleasant when I am addressed as ‘Bud’ or ‘Buddy’. I know, I know, wholly irrational. Mad as a box of frogs! Anyone hoping to make an impression of any kind in casual conversation comes unstuck if the conversation is led or finished with the word ‘Bud’ or ‘Buddy’. I am now going to search out a darkened room so I can rest my head. Edited April 16, 2013 by Drislane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I also can't stand "I could OF done that," instead of "I could HAVE done that," - incredibly ignorant use of language which is becoming more and more common. Most unfortunate. My 14 year old daughter is in a Grammar school, and when her History teacher told her off for this during a parent's evening, she said she had no idea it was wrong. Surely her ENGLISH teacher should have pointed this out, before her History teacher had to?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 All of the above! Actually, annoyed is too strong a word, but I am endlessly fascinated in the different versions of English spoken. "Gotten" sounds wrong to me, as does "Dove" as in "to dive". I would use "Dived". One of my pet peeves is the missing word "of" after the word couple that some people use. As in "Have you got a couple (of) minutes?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 The 'could care less' thing annoys me no end but I don't thing I've ever seen it in a book. It seems a common phrase amongst American blogs, forum posts etc from what I have read. I always wondered if I had been taught the phrase 'couldn't care less' incorrectly even though it made far more sense to me. i always thought I'd been taught the phrase incorrectly particularly when i read it in a book (can't remember for the life of me which one!) and spent days in a debate with my Mum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I've tried 3 times to find the correct way to reply to this so it doesn't make me sound like I'm trying to start trouble. I'll try to make it short and say that several of your posts come across as being offensive to Americans . Some have also trash-talked the Australian accent . Very disappointing . NOT NICE ,folks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) I think the actual phrase is, "I could care less, but I'd have to try very hard." Makes more sense, but people shorten it, which completely changes the meaning. Also "gotten" is an old British word. Edited April 18, 2013 by Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willoyd Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Then again, I am often accused of being a Grammar Nazi. I willingly hold my had up to that one. Typos are one thing (and completely acceptable as an occasional mistake), but constant and consistent misuse of spelling, grammar, syntax, and, well, just the language that is supposedly our mother tongue, is rife and it irks me no end!Don't get me going! Agree with you entirely. All those habits really irritate me - especially the use of words like 'gotten', and 'could of', and the upward inflection at the end of sentences. Ugh! In speech I also get really irritated by the common mispronunciation of 'aitch', as in 'haitch'. The name of the letter H does not start with an 'h'! Edited April 16, 2013 by willoyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Andrea~ Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Gotten is perfectly correct in American English. It was a part of British English at the time of colonisation of America but we evolved away from it while America didn't. So to say 'Got' is correct and gotten isn't just isn't right.'H'aitch is rife here in south Wales. That's just how we pronounce it.Regionality and dialect just makes language more interesting. It would be a boring world if we all spoke the same.Languages evolve and change - otherwise we'd all still be speaking Old English. It's just what happens, and like it or not, popular usage decides how. That's democracy in action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggle not Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) I've tried 3 times to find the correct way to reply to this so it doesn't make me sound like I'm trying to start trouble. I'll try to make it short and say that several of your posts come across as being offensive to Americans . Some have also trash-talked the Australian accent . Very disappointing . NOT NICE ,folks Do as I do, ignore the offending posts. There are good and bad on every forum, but much more good than bad on this forum. I don't think we should be too hard on people, most mistakes are unconscious ones. Not everyone has the advantage of a good education and quite often it's just the way they've always heard things said. And I'd be the last one to criticise, I'm sure I frequently make grammatical errors (ending sentences in prepositions etc) and my spelling is often questionable. Yes, but you speak nice. Edited April 17, 2013 by muggle not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontalba Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I've tried 3 times to find the correct way to reply to this so it doesn't make me sound like I'm trying to start trouble. I'll try to make it short and say that several of your posts come across as being offensive to Americans . Some have also trash-talked the Australian accent . Very disappointing . NOT NICE ,folks . What muggle said in his just previous post is true Julie. But I will admit to the fact it annoyed me as well. I've ignored it so far. Trash talk is not nice, no matter where it comes from. It only shows the ignorance of the speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Yes, but you speak nice. Just a pity you can't understand a word I say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I've tried 3 times to find the correct way to reply to this so it doesn't make me sound like I'm trying to start trouble. I'll try to make it short and say that several of your posts come across as being offensive to Americans . Some have also trash-talked the Australian accent . Very disappointing . NOT NICE ,folks . Do as I do, ignore the offending posts. There are good and bad on every forum, but much more good than bad on this forum. What muggle said in his just previous post is true Julie. But I will admit to the fact it annoyed me as well. I've ignored it so far. Trash talk is not nice, no matter where it comes from. It only shows the ignorance of the speaker. Can I just apologise to you three if anything I've said in my posts was offensive to you, it was never my intention to trash talk anyone. From your replies it's obvious that you have better manners than all the rest of us put together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drislane Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I would also like to apologise unreservedly to you and others if my post above caused offense in any way. There was certainly no intention on my part to do so. Besides, with an Irish accent I am firmly in the glasshouse on this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontalba Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Darling poppy, you couldn't insult if you tried. Drislane, I know I belong in that glass house as well with my Southern, US accent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I really hope I didn't insult anyone. If I did, it was completely unintentional and I apologise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblybear Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I didn't mean to offend anyone either. I had heard the phrase a couple of times on Seinfeld (which is why I referred to an American sitcom) but certainly didn't mean to insinuate or generalise about Americans as a whole. Apologies if it was taken in that way; it wasn't intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vimes Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 What really gets up my nose is how some people use like as every second word, so like they like speak like this like you know like... AHH!!!! I could just about pull my hair out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devi Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) I find it annoying when people say lol instead of actually laughing when face to face. Are some people really that lazy? Edited April 19, 2013 by Devi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vimes Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Some people just say lol instead of laughing? Really??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think we've gone a bit off topic, this was meant to be about annoyances in novels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Of course it depends on the context in which the "bad" English is used. In speech I don't mind - an accurate representation of the speech used by someone with a particular dialect etc only adds to the books authenticity. Also books that are written in the narration style. Struggling to think of some examples now (of course ) but "Paddy Clark Ha Ha" and "The curious Incident of the dog in the nightime" use this device (I think - perhaps someone else can confirm) I'd also like to add - I hope any of my previous posts on this thread hasn't offended. It certainly wasn't meant to. As I originally said - I love the way English is spoken so many different ways depending on where you come from - I really do find it fascinating. My son does the LOL thing. I'm trying to get him out of the habit, but he's 11 and so has started wanting to be different and not doing what his dad does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devi Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'm with you Ian, if it fits with the dialect at the time then it is ok with me. I wouldn't be surprised if slang is being used in some teen novels, especially now lol has made the dictionary - http://www.examiner.com/article/new-dictionary-words-make-webster-lol-la-la-land-with-a-five-second-rule Maybe you need to start saying it yourself Ian, make it uncool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted April 20, 2013 Author Share Posted April 20, 2013 I've tried 3 times to find the correct way to reply to this so it doesn't make me sound like I'm trying to start trouble. I'll try to make it short and say that several of your posts come across as being offensive to Americans . Some have also trash-talked the Australian accent . Very disappointing . NOT NICE ,folks . Hey there. Just so you know, in no way, shape or form, was this topic meant as a dig at Americans. So sorry if it came across as otherwise. I'm from the North of England, so my own grasp of language is poor at the best of times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Hi folks Just a quick note to say apologies accepted . Thank you for your understanding . . I've always thought I was lucky to have found this book group ,since there are so many different countries represented here. It's been interesting to talk to people from other places I'll probably never get to visit . I think in order to keep it a pleasant place ,we all have to be respectful of each other . That's the only point I wanted to make . On with the show .................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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